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Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:20 am

Does anybody have the image posted sometime back about where to place heart tail lights? Yes, I did a number of searches and it didn't come up. Maybe someone will have better luck than I did.

Thanks,
Shane

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:39 am

Here you go! :D

It's in Metric, but I think you can recalculate the measurements.

Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:43 am

Thanks a million.

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:30 pm

I'm sure the above photo is the best reference. 12 years ago I also transferred such measurements from a beat-up original fender from my late '52 to a '67 rear fender. When you have the rear bumper on and level, the bottom edge of the large lens (not the heart lens on top) is just about even with the top of the bumper blade when you crouch down about 10" behind the car and sight the bumper. Same applies to the later "oval"/"snowflake" taillights- but for US cars, the bottom edge of the taillight lens was even with the top of the rear bumper overrider/towel bars. You often see otherwise nicely done ovals or early square-windows at VW meets where the taillights are way too high.

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:41 pm

Rome wrote: I'm sure the above photo is the best reference. 12 years ago I also transferred such measurements from a beat-up original fender from my late '52 to a '67 rear fender. When you have the rear bumper on and level, the bottom edge of the large lens (not the heart lens on top) is just about even with the top of the bumper blade when you crouch down about 10" behind the car and sight the bumper. Same applies to the later "oval"/"snowflake" taillights- but for US cars, the bottom edge of the taillight lens was even with the top of the rear bumper overrider/towel bars. You often see otherwise nicely done ovals or early square-windows at VW meets where the taillights are way too high.

That really bothers me. Especially when someone paid big bucks for a restoration and can't even get the heigth of the tailights correct. :roll:

Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:19 pm

You hit the nail on the head. They PAID for a restoration instead of doing it themselves. I'd say most folks who shed some blood, sweat and tears on a resto would get something like that right. Could be wrong... but that's why I'm asking questions. This won't be a perfect resto, as this car was cut up pretty badly, but I'm going to do what I can to get things as right as I can.

Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:26 pm

Are these measurements correct for regular 'split' window taillights as well?

Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:48 am

Are these measurements correct for regular 'split' window taillights as well?

No this is place fot heart & egg tailligts only.
That picture was taken from my old 53 oval's orginal fender :wink:

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:59 am

DOODAH wrote: No this is place fot heart & egg tailligts only.
That picture was taken from my old 53 oval's orginal fender :wink:

Yes, It's pretty fantastic that I remembered the picture... :D It's like over one year since it was first posted... :wink:

I'll keep my fingers crossed for getting your oval back on the street before May the 1st... 8)

Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:00 am

eh0s wrote: Are these measurements correct for regular 'split' window taillights as well?

I can make a similar picture for the split taillight position too next week unless Doodah is faster... :wink:

Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:20 pm

Hebster52 wrote: eh0s wrote: Are these measurements correct for regular 'split' window taillights as well?

I can make a similar picture for the split taillight position too next week unless Doodah is faster... :wink:

That would be MUCH appreciated, that's good info to have in one thread. There's alot of these fine points that seem to have 'gone missing'

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:36 am

As promised. Split taillight location as follows. :D

Notice that there is a bulge for the bulbholders.

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:43 am

Cool!

Can I ask how far it is to the bottom of the fender? Or the bumper bracket hole like in the heart diagram?

(IE where do I start to reference those measurements from?)

jp

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:39 am

You start from the upper corner of the edge against the rear apron in 90 degrees 150 mm out and 60mm down for the upper bolthole and another 40 mm's for the lower. :wink:

The big hole (16mm) is for the sealing rubber for the wiring.

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:56 am

Hebster52 wrote: You start from the upper corner 90 degrees from the edge against the rear apron. 150 mm out and 60mm down for the upper bolthole and another 40 mm's for the lower. :wink:

The big hole (16mm) is for the sealing rubber for the wiring.

We need a point of reference for the starting (150 mm) point. The heart taillight uses the top of the bumper bracket and the bottom edge of the fender curve as the reference points. Is that what is pictured for the split diagram?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:48 am

I guess i've explained it a bit blurry. Yes, the upper left corner with the square is the reference point as you refer to as the bottom edge of the fender curve .

I rewrote the previous post:
Quote: You start from the upper corner of the edge against the rear apron in 90 degrees 150 mm out and 60mm down for the upper bolthole and another 40 mm's for the lower.

I hope you understand me know... :roll:

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:37 am

Just curious as to why there's 4 holes in the picture for the heart tail lights. I haven't got my hearts yet but from the pics ive seen the bracket only appears to have 2 mounting holes. Are the other 2 just for wiring to the lights???

edit
forgot I was also going to ask if any of you have the hole diameters too
thanks

Thanks heaps for posting that pic, I was wondering how I was going to get the position right, I agree with previous comments getting it right is everything.
My 54 had 60's tail lights on it when I got it - yuck. Its taken 6 months but I think I've finally tracked down some hearts locally, wont be getting them for a little while yet.
Thanks guys

Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:42 am

Ok, here it goes. :D

The two holes on each side are for the dots on the taillight rubber. The rubber have two dots that you push into the holes to fix it on the correct place. The wiring also goes through one of thos dots.

(forgot to ask the hole diameters...) :oops:

Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:12 pm

On the small square image, are the measurements 50mm between the two holes for the rubber seal, 35mm from center to bottom hole, and 26mm center to top hole? (kind of hard to read when I enlarge it)
thanks

It's in Metric, but I think you can recalculate the measurements.

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Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:25 pm

eh0s wrote: Can I ask how far it is to the bottom of the fender?
Do not use the bottom of the fender as a reference. They are shaped differently and curve up quite differently.
Yes, I found this out the hard way.