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Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:18 pm

Scotch is allowed but only by funnel!

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:19 pm

I'm down! I broke three fingers yesterday and the percs have worn off. I'm a bit grouchy...

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:21 pm

Sorry to hear about your fingers.....broke three?......three scotch's!

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:21 pm

don3751 wrote: You wouldn't, if you could help it. The 'black' argument has to do with metal porosity as it relates to heat dissipation viz. that it's more porous and less insulated than modern three-stage chrome plating. If chrome were better, (And it was certainly available in the early thirties) Porsche would have incorporated it into the design.

stop with the "if chrome were better" or at least stop implying that is what i said..... i said "your tin doesn't care what color it is..."...remember? it isn't about black, chrome, green, purple, or any custom mix you want to put on it.....the stuff is for directing air to cool the engine....not to radiate or "dissipate" heat.... i'll have to go back through and see how many times i've said that now, and maybe point em out to you again, so you won't think i'm advocating CHROME...getting it yet? the "black is better than chrome because it cools better" is apples to oranges....and i even pointed out that it would not be the case for pushrod tubes, valve covers, and sump plates....because of the reasons you state...but the tinware is totally different....that is all i have been saying....but, as i pointed out, chroming the factory stuff would seem to work better based on your theory of reflecting heat back...keep that engine compartment cooler....

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:23 pm

don3751 wrote: I'm down! I broke three fingers yesterday and the percs have worn off. I'm a bit grouchy...

damn...sorry to hear that Don.... i had a good day till i plowed my bug into a deer last night....well plowed is a bit strong of a description...just flipped its ass up and over the car....

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:26 pm

can't handle Scotch...Don is more of a man than me...that stuff....blah....i'll take a brandy or maybe cherry coke!! set em up Roy!!!

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:31 pm

Thanks for the kind words regarding the fingers. I can tell you a place on a 64-67 bus to keep hands WELL away from...

I know where your argument comes from and I understand agree with it in substance. Lemme lay out the PERFECT tinware setup:

The only reason the tin has anything on it is to prevent rust. Hence a coat of paint. Doesn't really matter which color, because, as you so eloquently put it, the tin doesn't care. You could chrome it, but you'd have the problems I mentioned earlier. Why not make it out of something rustproof? Aluminum tinware would not need any coating, is very porous (great surface area for heat dissipation) and is relatively inexpensive. Copper'd be ideal, but spendy.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:31 pm

BTW, I'd like to see pics of the car 'post-deer'.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:41 pm

I love a happy ending.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:44 pm

don3751 wrote: Thanks for the kind words regarding the fingers. I can tell you a place on a 64-67 bus to keep hands WELL away from...

hard lessons are life lessons....doesn't ease the pain, but you probably wont' do it again....i can tell you some secret places that you should keep your hands out of in all kinds of car....been there....never quite that bad, but lots of stitches...

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I know where your argument comes from and I understand agree with it in substance. Lemme lay out the PERFECT tinware setup:

The only reason the tin has anything on it is to prevent rust. Hence a coat of paint. Doesn't really matter which color, because, as you so eloquently put it, the tin doesn't care.

rust is an excellent insulator....i was actually going to mention the above, but have been blasted before that the black was there because it was better....information regurgitation runs rampant....this is also why alot of old time engine builders reccomend a thin coat of black on cylinders(Bob Hoover comes to mind)...not because it is black but because it keeps rust at bay....the black comes in because *if* you have to use a paint to help protect(non-ceramic paint pleast), then why not use what would help you, which black would...because you *do* want to conduct and radiate heat there...(actually convection is what you want at the surface, but i'm pretty sure you actually do know that)....

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You could chrome it, but you'd have the problems I mentioned earlier.

chrome can be used to keep the heat where you want it....so in places it wouldn't be that bad....but the problem with this reoccuring "argument" is that thousands of folks have read that "black is best" and apply it to everything....when its not necessarily so....in alot of instances it doesn't even matter....(ftr my tinware is all original german and semi-gloss black...except my alt plate.....

Quote: Why not make it out of something rustproof? Aluminum tinware would not need any coating, is very porous (great surface area for heat dissipation) and is relatively inexpensive. Copper'd be ideal, but spendy.

see i don't agree with you here....they are not necessary...you don't need the heat transfer properties of aluminum or copper...it wouldn't be a benefit for the air path....with the fan moving air as it was intended it wouldn't hurt you, but it's not necessary....the weight difference might be beneficial, but marginal....

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:59 pm

don3751 wrote: BTW, I'd like to see pics of the car 'post-deer'.

its not bad at all....and since the car is "in the process" of bodywork, not even that big of a deal....could have been worse....but i can tell ya, when you stand on four wheel discs a bug will stop quickly....

Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:42 pm

well....since chrome is such a big issue, im going to use the shroud an tin out of a 74. going to back the firewall black, an shroud an tin the light blue. I figure light color = cooler car.... :? then you guys can stop arguing, i didnt mean for you guys to turn 5 years old. :wink:

Tomorrow were going to clean the motor an take the shroud an tin off. going to paint the shroud an tin from the 74 an put it in my 72 bug.
not sure on what idea to use.
Shroud an tin-lightblue with black firewall
or
shroud an tin offwhite (like a beige) with light blue firewall.

not sure yet but will have it done tomorrow

Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:54 pm

buggpower wrote: then you guys can stop arguing, i didnt mean for you guys to turn 5 years old. :wink:

piss off jackass....maybe you should read the "spirited debate" and learn from it....but feel free to piss off first...

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:02 pm

bugninva wrote: buggpower wrote: then you guys can stop arguing, i didnt mean for you guys to turn 5 years old. :wink:

piss off jackass....maybe you should read the "spirited debate" and learn from it....but feel free to piss off first...

wow...i read it an all i saw was arguing...calm down an act your age, an i was only joking...hints the wink. :roll:

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:04 pm

buggpower wrote: [
wow...i read it an all i saw was arguing...calm down an act your age, an i was only joking...hints the wink. :roll:

being a smartass isn't "okay" because you put an emoticon in there....if you actualy READ and comprehend what was written you can learn....if you choose not to that is fine.....

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:05 pm

i read it..an saw you an don ARGUING :lol:
so calm down 5 year old.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:08 pm

buggpower wrote: i read it..an saw you an don ARGUING :lol:
so calm down 5 year old.

good way to insure you will get the help you need newbie...you forgot to piss off..... :roll: can't wait for you to start all the moronic questions...oh wait, you already did....now...fuck off...i'm old enough to be your father

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:10 pm

bugninva wrote: buggpower wrote: i read it..an saw you an don ARGUING :lol:
so calm down 5 year old.

good way to insure you will get the help you need newbie...you forgot to piss off..... :roll: can't wait for you to start all the moronic questions...oh wait, you already did....now...fuck off...i'm old enough to be your father

sure sound like it, but whatever...i didnt ask for an arguement seems like almost what half the people on herte want to do is argue... :lol:

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:32 pm

buggpower wrote: [
sure sound like it, but whatever...i didnt ask for an arguement seems like almost what half the people on herte want to do is argue... :lol:

you don't have to stay here....don't read public forums if you don't want to see others interact....makes sense to sensible people...

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:01 pm

bugninva wrote: now...fuck off...i'm old enough to be your father

BugninvaOWN3D..

Gezz, guys! I take off for awhile to get drunk and fuckin' world war three breaks out! BTW, I'm gonna chrome a stock doghouse and run it just to piss myself off...