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Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:49 pm

deprivation wrote: tencentlife wrote: Anyone going to help the OP?
Hey, I took a shot at it.

Yeah, you did, and did well. Sorry, I was watching the ping-pong match and forgot to look up.

It is surely easier to do the work on the engine with it on the bench, but on balance it is a fraction of the work and mess to drop the trans, and far less to go wrong.

VanWilder, with the video and those links and the book, plus I'm sure you could turn up a few more relevant threads here, you can get a pretty clear picture of what's involved in dealing with the engine itself.

The rest is just how to R&R the trans. Funny, it's a job that so many end up doing but I can't remember a thread where someone went over the steps and had any pics or anything. There must be one but I don't think I read it.

It's not complex, really, but you need some good jackstands and a decent floor jack. And the appropriate CV bolt tool (6mm Allen or 12-point "triple square"). And It helps to have a clutch pilot tool, if you replace the clutch the kit comes with one. Good time to service the CV joints while you're at it, maybe change the trans oil too.

Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:18 pm

Is this an aircooled you are working on? If its an aircooled I might approach it differently than if its a WBXer. Pulling the engine out of an AC is pretty easy, no coolant hoses and such to disconnect, and having the engine out makes it easier to get at the pulley seal, oil cooler seals and such. Great time to remove the remains of all the mice nest hidden under the tin, especially the one sitting on top of the oil cooler. If you have a nice enough floor jack some people prefer to pull both the engine and tranny at the same time.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:04 pm

Yes AC,,,I was hoping to do thid without pulling he engine.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:07 pm

syncrodoka wrote: I'm glad that the OP is getting good information to fix the problem.

GoWesty- Flywheel or "Rear Main" Seal Story- http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=535
The put it in quotes for a reason... and that's so people who don't know better know it's the flywheel seal.

Lets just agree to call it the Flywheel seal and move on.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:17 pm

VanWilder wrote: Yes AC,,,I was hoping to do thid without pulling he engine.

Sure woulda been nice to know that at the start; always say what year/model you need advice for, please.

With an aircooled the balance gets a little closer labor-wise, drop trans or drop engine. It's still a lot less labor to drop the trans, but the access to the flywheel is of course better with the engine out on the bench. Depends on the state of the other things you gain access to in either case if your intent is to do preventive maintenance while you have things apart, such as CV's, etc. But with inexperience, there's still much less that can go wrong with dropping the trans, and it weighs half what the engine does so consider that in your logistical planning too (as in, do I have a helper available for moving a 250# item vs. an 80# item I can move myself?).

Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:06 pm

Everyone should call it the "to-may-toe" seal. Resistance will not be tolerated.

Reminds me of the time I saw a Baptist and a Presbyterian arguing so fervently it almost came to blows over whether you should sprinkle or dunk during baptism.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:15 pm

Quote: Lets just agree to call it the Flywheel seal and move on.
You are funny. :lol: :lol:

Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:01 pm

I posted on the previous page 83" Vanagon Gl Manuel" I did not however state "Aircooled"

I am just going to pull the Tranny for this one I think.

Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:12 pm

'83 happens to be the one year it could be either. The wbx was introduced late in '83.

I guess you wouldn't have known that.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:38 pm

Yea I had no idea.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:02 pm

Andrew A. Libby wrote: ...whether you should sprinkle or dunk during baptism.
SuperSoaker or water balloon.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:21 pm

VanWilder wrote: I don't have to pull the engine right? I can just drop the Tranny?

As I mentioned in an earlier post if you want to change the pulley seal and do other stuff it will be easier with the engine out. I usually figure an hour to get the engine out (on a Bay) and two hours to get it back in, its not a lot less to do the tranny.

Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:57 pm

Does the Flexplate or Flywheel need to be installed to measure the endplay?

I have an engine with the flexplate currently removed. It did not have much endplay until I removed the Pulley and reinstalled it. There seems to be a lot of endplay now.

I have a second engine I can't get the flexplate bolts out of, I'll have to make a fixture for the flexplate tomorrow.

The Bentley seems a bit Fuzzy when it comes to flexplates.

I have a rear seal, and a large Oring i was given to install. I'm not entirely sure where the O-ring goes.

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:27 pm

Yes, the flex plate needs to be installed.

Dave

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:53 pm

Thanks. I thought so. I figured out where the O ring goes, I just hadn't looked at the back of the Flexplate yet.

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:01 am

BUMPIDDY BUMP BUMP

I have a 2.1L auto, 195K miles - my rear main /oil seal is leaking (yes, REAR of the engine facing forward of the vehicle, mating with transaxle).
Note - the engine was "rebuilt" 3 years ago by PO. There wiring work is crap, hope their mechanical work was decent.

I am familiar with the trans R&R and need to order parts, have a few questions:

1. Bus depot or Gowesty seal favorites???
2. Should I buy a GW refurb flex plate in anticipation??
3. Anything else while I am in there??

Bonus: would you pull the engine/trans complete or just plop out the trans? I don't have other engine work to do at this time.

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:34 am

We have to drop ours again. I misunderstood the method of obtaining freeplay, and our shims are way to tight. We will be dropping the Tranny only this time (Auto) There are a fair number of hoses, wires and stuff if you do both.

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:42 am

dougass.... front is front. your front main seal is leaking!

-dan

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:27 am

Do these jeans make my front look big??

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:33 am

DanHoug wrote: dougass.... front is front. your front main seal is leaking!

-dan

So this seals the pulley to the crankcase??? I would have never known. It does fit perfectly where the rear main seal (flywheel seal) goes though.

http://www.gowesty.com/product/mechanical/3944/flywheel-flexplate-seal-rear-main-?v=

Which seal would this be in a Zamboni? or what about a ski lift or a pump? Would this by the left or right seal on a transverse mounted engine?

Best to stick with terminology as commonly used throughout the world for internal combustion engines.