TheSamba.com :: View topic - getting a transmission to hold more HP/Torque

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:02 pm

Had the years crossed up, sorry about that.... RB

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:25 pm

vwracerdave wrote: How much off road racing do you do?

How many passes down the drag strip have you made?

Why are you always such a curmudgeon? I totally understand you avatar, it suits your mood just about all the time. :lol:

Hotrod was making a general statement, neither of us were saying anything about off road or drag racing. I was simply responding to your BS post about a stock trans not handling 100 HP, because I've done more than that myself. Biggest thing is controlling wheel hop; a stock 1600 will snap axles if you abuse and treat it like sh!t. If you're breaking stock trannies with less than 100 HP, maybe you should put on a traction bar or learn to drive.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:26 pm

Or just learn to drive.... :lol:

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 pm

miniman82 wrote: Hotrod was making a general statement, neither of us were saying anything about off road or drag racing. .

I'm not gonna pull out my penis and compare like you guys are doing( :lol: ), but since the OP said he is planning off road racing and drag racing, don't ya think Dave's reply would be in relation to that? Unfortunately nearly all threads in sambaland take this turn, folks pull out parts of a post, argue about them out of context and generally derail any useful information... I've been guilty as shit of this in the past, but this time it's you and hotrod.... :lol:

just sayin... :wink:

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:37 pm

So am I Avatar guy or someone else, thing is it seams we all run strokers of some sort, thing is it is a concern to be able to get back home...

I run a 2110 in a 1000lbs Street Rail, yes I get on it and yes I have driven stockers as well, and yes you can intentially blow up a tranny..

Thing is I have never blown a tranny, but over the past 20 years of info gathering the first thing that typically goes with one is the case, this is in contrast to everything else being built, even down to the CV's.

Now the point is to be honest with ( o\_/o ), he over all is going into deep pockets to build his rod as well as try and oufit it with a dependable tranny..

So, in all our knowledge explained, he can see we do have back grounds in this area or interest.. Thus more than likely valid opinions in what he should do....

Now, if ( o\_/o ) as me what to do, I say dump the money into a 2.7 Liter Porshe engine and Mendalia Set up and be good to go in the open class.. This is do to retrospect that he plans to run a Turbo on a Type 4.. Thing here is bang for you buck and milage, plus 6 carbs,lol...

But you are right, I just voice my opinion when validity is in question and I have a side that is correct and can be backed, that is all, why, why spread gossip when knowledge is based on expertise were ever it comes from.........

This is of course you are refering to me, if not, then I think I still have a valid point, :-) ...... RB

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:39 pm

RailBoy wrote: Your not pushing it hard enough,lol... A 73 Stockers have the fine tooth gears which rip out easier than the pre 69's I think which are the corser geared design which can take way more punishment......

I think it is pre 69 that was the last of the dual side cover cases then after that they went to the fine tooth gearing and single side cover cases which are actually stronger than the dual side covers... This is all bug cases mind you....

What does SSC stand for may I ask, or is this something I am supposed to already know,lol....

I got it, Single Side Cover, Sorry about that, you are running a built tranny like mine if you are not ripping out the fine tooth gearing is all I can say or you are delicate on it,lol...

I run 8" and 10" wide rears on my rod, thus keeping the tranny together is the objective for me at all costs.... RB

All fine teeth here. Fine teeth have been down to the low 10's in the 1/4. True they are weaker, but they can handle some punishment. Stock IRS tranny is what I have even the brass pinion nut is holding. It really is how you drive it. I have been a preload guy since day one, and have only broken 1 stock Type 1 cv joint so far. Every run after the launch I think oh good it held. I really wonder how much longer it will last, cause now I am putting even more power to it then in the past.

Kevin

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:42 pm

See, we are all right, Validity,lol........ RB

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:51 pm

bugninva wrote: just sayin... :wink:

Well, just look at you! You catch on quick! :lol:

Douche spigot. :shock:

Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:05 pm

wright gearbox

Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:11 pm

miniman82 wrote: bugninva wrote: just sayin... :wink:

Well, just look at you! You catch on quick! :lol:

Douche spigot. :shock:

:lol: you called me a nozzle...

Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:48 pm

Gotta a pic of this so-called nozzle fo shozzle? :shock: :lol:

Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:53 pm

bugninva wrote: miniman82 wrote: Hotrod was making a general statement, neither of us were saying anything about off road or drag racing. .

I'm not gonna pull out my penis and compare like you guys are doing( :lol: ), but since the OP said he is planning off road racing and drag racing, don't ya think Dave's reply would be in relation to that? Unfortunately nearly all threads in sambaland take this turn, folks pull out parts of a post, argue about them out of context and generally derail any useful information... I've been guilty as shit of this in the past, but this time it's you and hotrod.... :lol:

just sayin... :wink:

...yep...the cock-waggers are making this place a joke ;)

Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:54 pm

Hey, there's lips!

Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:30 pm

Billyisgr8 wrote: ...even the brass pinion nut is holding. ..
There's no such thing as a brass pinion nut. They are all steel.

Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:34 pm

RailBoy wrote: A 73 Stockers have the fine tooth gears which rip out ...
The stock fine tooth gears aren't weak. They don't break from shear hp, they break when bits of steel floating around get caught up in them, then they chip off. After a while, there's not enough of the tooth left and the whole gear strips.

Sat May 01, 2010 5:31 am

Also the way I understand it is that when the gear is not fully engaged that can cause them to rip apart if power is applied like pertaining to speed shifting situations...... RB

Sat May 01, 2010 6:02 am

What about trying a reversed Subaru box?
Rated to 280hp stock and by the time you've bought an adaptor plate for the type 4 to Subie box and 930 output flanges, still only half the price of some of the other options mentioned on this thread.

Plus 5 speed and double synchros to boot!

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Sat May 01, 2010 11:48 am

RailBoy wrote: Also the way I understand it is that when the gear is not fully engaged that can cause them to rip apart if power is applied like pertaining to speed shifting situations...... RB
All the gears are in constant mesh at all times. There's no half engaged gears.

Sat May 01, 2010 2:28 pm

I think he was tlaking about the dog engagement teeth on the sliders.

Tue May 04, 2010 10:33 pm

ok, ok... u guys have been going on for too long

im not throwing in a several thousand dollar type 4 motor on the stock transaxle. my actual plan was to put a cheap $300 small block v8 with a kennedy adapter. but i didn't want to say anything because i know some guys on here are all why not run a big vw engine, or get a v6 motor with less power
honestly i can find a v8 in texas cheaper then any other motor. i mean u can't beat a 454 big block running for $600, or a 350 small block running for $350.

now my buddy has a 305tpi out of a camaro, wirring loom, fuel injectors and ill get it for under $300
i know a kennedy adapter is going to run like $400-$600

so im just trying to figure out how to get the transaxle to hold up to the extra power. im not really interested in a really expensive vw motor when i can get a v8 cheaper, and all i need is a adapter and a radiator...

please don't flame me, just because u don't like the idea of a v8 in a bug or w/e. i just want to know how i can get the transaxle to hold up to the power. i understand that i can't do it myself and i need to take it to some kind of transmission shop, but i don't trust any of them around here. so im doing my own research and asking questions here to hopefully find out what exactly needs done so i don't get ripped off!
thank u guys