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Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:39 pm

140 is pushing it

Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:48 pm

I've also tried to tell lug nuts he's 20-25 HP short of his 180 HP guess.

Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:16 pm

Rockstar Suzuki wrote: fivelugshortaxle wrote: mackyboy1893 wrote: DarthWeber wrote: 1973 WHAT??? Bus, Karmann Ghia, Type 3, Beetle?

What's your budget mackyboy?

Have you ever driven a VW that has a high performance engine?

Under $10,000 but that is with suspension and braking as well. It's a 73 beetle. The fastest vw I have driven was in the 1900cc range, don't know the exact numbers. Why do you ask?

A 2332 is ridiculously fast.....

Exactly How many have you drove ? I've witnessed a 102 HP 2332 on the dyno---Not fast at all. I'll bet your 2165 doesn't crack 140hp :roll:

LOL.. That's funny... And probly true. I have seen many disappointed customers when off the shelf big motors that are thrown together don't run worth a crap. It's like no one every heard of a 3 angle valve job...??

Oh yeah, In the PA area don't forget about Simpson Racing Engines. (Insert my own personal plug here).
Builder of HiPo VW engines for over 20years in Ohio. Mild street to Pro-Stock engines.
Race proven performance with winning engines in many Ohio and PA cars. (that don't have washed out cyls)
Just ask some folks who know me. I don't advertise formally as my back log is plenty long w/o it.

No wait, nevermind... Go mainstream and stay away from guys like me.
I'm too contravercial... I do things different'y than most (again.. ask those who know me)..

Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:35 pm

hi tom . tom does build great motors and hes a hard to beat drag racer. if it dont rain at the track inside joke lol . he allso drives one bad super that runs 10s in the 1/4 mile we have one more race. i think i can beat him lol spencerfvee Ohio Tom wrote: Rockstar Suzuki wrote: fivelugshortaxle wrote: mackyboy1893 wrote: DarthWeber wrote: 1973 WHAT??? Bus, Karmann Ghia, Type 3, Beetle?

What's your budget mackyboy?

Have you ever driven a VW that has a high performance engine?

Under $10,000 but that is with suspension and braking as well. It's a 73 beetle. The fastest vw I have driven was in the 1900cc range, don't know the exact numbers. Why do you ask?

A 2332 is ridiculously fast.....

Exactly How many have you drove ? I've witnessed a 102 HP 2332 on the dyno---Not fast at all. I'll bet your 2165 doesn't crack 140hp :roll:

LOL.. That's funny... And probly true. I have seen many disappointed customers when off the shelf big motors that are thrown together don't run worth a crap. It's like no one every heard of a 3 angle valve job...??

Oh yeah, In the PA area don't forget about Simpson Racing Engines. (Insert my own personal plug here).
Builder of HiPo VW engines for over 20years in Ohio. Mild street to Pro-Stock engines.
Race proven performance with winning engines in many Ohio and PA cars. (that don't have washed out cyls)
Just ask some folks who know me. I don't advertise formally as my back log is plenty long w/o it.

No wait, nevermind... Go mainstream and stay away from guys like me.
I'm too contravercial... I do things different'y than most (again.. ask those who know me)..

Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:52 pm

It is good to work with someone close to you so you can meet them in person and see their work/shop first hand-not to mention if you have any probs you can go down and seek assistance face to face rather than over the telephone or internet.[quote]

Amen to that
Plus you can see if the work facility is a mess? or can you eat off the floor? the quality of the build will be greatly affected by this.
let your builder know what you plan to do with the car as the build and size of the engine, reliability is all factored in to that equation. again a visit to his/her shop to talk about what you need and answer all 3000 questions you have. Some of us dont understand what lift and duration and rod length is thats why we hire someone that does. Engine building is an art and a science and unfortunatly there are allot of hacks out there that think a big number cc motor in shiny colors and fancy shrouds is what people want. seldom do you read positive things about these guys because they fail to understand what your trying to do with the end product. Talk to some of the builders prev customers and if he or she is any good they will likely get you in line for the build. Local is always a plus.

Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:46 pm

jfats808 wrote: I know I already tried to break it to him about his projected power in his 2165 build. He seems to thinks its going make 180hp.

:lol:

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:16 pm

My 1915 makes 170, should be easy to crack 180 with 250 more cc's. :lol:

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:38 pm

Rockstar Suzuki wrote: fivelugshortaxle wrote: mackyboy1893 wrote: DarthWeber wrote: 1973 WHAT??? Bus, Karmann Ghia, Type 3, Beetle?

What's your budget mackyboy?

Have you ever driven a VW that has a high performance engine?

Under $10,000 but that is with suspension and braking as well. It's a 73 beetle. The fastest vw I have driven was in the 1900cc range, don't know the exact numbers. Why do you ask?

A 2332 is ridiculously fast.....

Exactly How many have you drove ? I've witnessed a 102 HP 2332 on the dyno---Not fast at all. I'll bet your 2165 doesn't crack 140hp :roll:

102 for a 2332? Wasn't built worth shit, then.....My old 1835 dynoed 118 @ 6,000 RPM....Maybe I won't crack 180, but it will definately break 140 a more accurate goal will probably be about 165HP.....

102HP? Wow....Bergmann must have built it :lol:

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:42 pm

Lugs with the combo you have it might make 160hp need more compression and a different cam grind to make 180hp with that comb. Maybe the heads flow a big number from RC that we dont know, its going to be hard to ring out that number you think. :shock:

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:42 pm

vwracerdave wrote: I've also tried to tell lug nuts he's 20-25 HP short of his 180 HP guess.

Yes, I know Dave.....just getting reactions. I think you're probably right about the power numbers. My combo will probably put out about 165. Which in a vehicle as light as my 70 Beetle is plenty! It will still be like driving a go cart with way too much power!

But did you read the 102HP for a 2332? My old 1835 with Kads would have dusted it. I bet the gujy who bought that massive paper weight was pissed!

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:51 pm

CJG wrote: Lugs with the combo you have it might make 160hp need more compression and a different cam grind to make 180hp with that comb. Maybe the heads flow a big number from RC that we dont know, its going to be hard to ring out that number you think. :shock:

RC, you read this? No pressure, right? Just kidding... :lol: ..I know my combo won't crack 180, but it should get 160 and maybe a tad bit more.......I looked at a ton of dyno charts on 2165's and basically tried to model my build after the ones that were putting out the best torque and HP numbers. Not one of those builds ran less than 160 ...I'm not building it for all out power but I'm also not putting together a paper weight

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:56 pm

Even a 7.5:1 2332 (good luck getting the compression that low without a huge deck) that is well tuned will make 130 hp. Someone just had no clue about tuning. Must have been embarrassing.

RC

Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:22 pm

RockCrusher wrote: Even a 7.5:1 2332 (good luck getting the compression that low without a huge deck) that is well tuned will make 130 hp. Someone just had no clue about tuning. Must have been embarrassing.

RC

Maybe that's what I'll put on my license plate.....NOT102 Lol!

Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:15 am

RockCrusher wrote: Even a 7.5:1 2332 (good luck getting the compression that low without a huge deck) that is well tuned will make 130 hp. Someone just had no clue about tuning. Must have been embarrassing.

RC

its called an ebay longblock where you get stock dp heads.

Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:20 am

miniman82 wrote: My 1915 makes 170, should be easy to crack 180 with 250 more cc's.

With the 14.51 ET that you posted in another thread you are nowhere near 170 HP. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5452211&highlight=#5452211 with 170 HP you should be 12.90's. You might be around 140 HP.

My 2165, Tims stage 2 heads, FK-8 cam and 48 IDA's is putting out about 165 HP.

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:31 am

vwracerdave wrote: miniman82 wrote: My 1915 makes 170, should be easy to crack 180 with 250 more cc's.

With the 14.51 ET that you posted in another thread you are nowhere near 170 HP. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5452211&highlight=#5452211 with 170 HP you should be 12.90's. You might be around 140 HP.

My 2165, Tims stage 2 heads, FK-8 cam and 48 IDA's is putting out about 165 HP.

Your on it vw race dave!!! 170??? Prove it :wink: . lol... Ohio tom, thanks for the tuning advice (on my thread (added timing, and more fuel)), it made my drive to class (28 miles each way) quite enjoyable and still no massive crank pressure from rings washing out??? :lol:

To be honest, there are sooooo many fantastic engine builders (mainstream & the unknown) on the samba, just pick a place close to you (so you can raise hell if there is a problem or need assistance) and stay away from builders that are known to give people problems. Good luck!!!

Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:05 pm

vwracerdave wrote: miniman82 wrote: My 1915 makes 170, should be easy to crack 180 with 250 more cc's.

With the 14.51 ET that you posted in another thread you are nowhere near 170 HP. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5452211&highlight=#5452211 with 170 HP you should be 12.90's. You might be around 140 HP.

My 2165, Tims stage 2 heads, FK-8 cam and 48 IDA's is putting out about 165 HP.

I thought it was around 138hp originally---If he would put an 009 and blue coil back on he might make 150hp and for those out of the loop YES it's boosted :oops:

And lugs 44 webers will be down at least 20 hp to your IDA's

Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:56 pm

IIRC, CLyde Berg's 2276 cc with 7.0:1 CR made 170 HP in the engine builders contest, that was outlined in Hot VWs "All About Performance Engines Volume 3".

FWIW, my current 2332 cc with 10.6:1 CR, 91 octane, made 180 HP at the wheels, probably 200+ at the flywheel with Web 86C, IDA's. The key was to get the heads worked on, so they flowed properly...

Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:56 pm

neil68 wrote: IIRC, CLyde Berg's 2276 cc with 7.0:1 CR made 170 HP in the engine builders contest, that was outlined in Hot VWs "All About Performance Engines Volume 3".

FWIW, my current 2332 cc with 10.6:1 CR, 91 octane, made 180 HP at the wheels, probably 200+ at the flywheel with Web 86C, IDA's. The key was to get the heads worked on, so they flowed properly...

The 44's were gone through by Art for a friends 2110....I'll be contacting him to get them set up the right way....I'm not some idiot who thinks that just displacement is going to get the power or that the power can be had by simply bolting on a set of big carbs or putting in a big cam.......attention to detail in the building process and proper tuning.....and the key to getting it all to work together is in the heads.....

Laugh and yuck it up all you want about some poor bastard who bought a 102 HP 2332. I'm not that guy. This build is being done the right way and with careful consideration of all the parts being used. The final ingredient was finding someone that knows what they're doing with head work since this is where the power is made. I believe that I've found the right person to do that work....

160 or bust! :twisted:

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:15 pm

Found this sweet little emoticon for the haters that always seem to be negative on here!

:fist: