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Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:17 pm

Hi, can't seem to find much information on why there is a hole on the face of the lifter and if it realy decreasses the wear on the cam and lifters, i will be using an w-125 cam and was planning on using the Engle lifters to go with mi combo,,,but a friend is trying to convince me to use the type of lifters with the oiling hole drilled on the face of the lifter. After an hour of searching here on the samba and on Shoptalk, the only comment i found was that is was a gimmick to have a hole there.

It will be for a mild stroker
78.4 crank
94mm jugs
DRD L5,5 heads dual springs
w-125 cam
not sure but maybe 1.25:1 rocker
carb willl be dual 42 DCNF ( yes i know, old school )
9.0:1 compression

Paul

Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:43 pm

search for Scat Lube-a-lobe.....

brad

Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:49 pm

Use the lifters that are compatible with your cam...you are using an Engle cam so use Engle lifters.

Scat lifters pit-that has been my experience.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:18 pm

The hole in the lifters is totally usless on a VW engine. They are needed for V-8 engines and other inline engines that have the cam and lifters above the crankshaft and a lot less oiling. On a aircooled VW engine because the lifters are below the crankshaft there is plenty of oil spraying off the crank and rods to oil the cam and lifters.

Your buddy may need them in his V-8 Camaro, but you do not need them in your VW.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:31 pm

Well, I wouldnt say the hole is useless, but it doesnt solve the problem that Scat lifters have, - being too flat on the head. Engle lifters, ok, but why in God´s name do they make´m so they weigh a ton (?) I would take CB light weights any day and lighten the valve train 30 grams right there.

T

Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:27 pm

Anyone ever notice that the high end lifters, or at leaat the lifters that work (CB, and Udo)
don't bother with that oil hole....Hmmmmmmm.
I know, they need to make chrome lifters, that will make them last. Sounds like a good marketing strategy for GEX.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:51 pm

Paulsta, Engle Cams - Engle Lifters. Or CB Lightweights as a good alternative as stated by Alstrup. If you are worried about wear, which is a distinct possibility with scat lifters and any cam, the use of a good synthetic motor oil will go a long way towards preserving cam and lifter life. Like Dave said, the lifter holes are a sales gimmick in a VW engine.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:04 pm

Thanks everyone, did more research using Scat Lube-a-lobe keyword as slalombuggy sujested and found more info.
I will stick to my original plan, and use Engle lifters, initial breakin will be with hight ZDDP breakin oil.

The ZDDP aditive that you can get at Eastwood paints, is it a gimmick or something that could work, has anybodie used it.
http://www.eastwood.com/ew-zddp-oil-additive-4-oz.html
Thanks again
Paul

Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:36 pm

I would recommend a motor oil that has the correct amounts of zinc and phosphorus already added to break in your engine. Something like Brad Penn 10W-30 Penn-Grade 1 oil or Comp Cams 10W-30 Engine oil. I personally don't like a straight 30W break in oil for break in. The oil needs to be as light as possible, especially when cold at first start, so it will FLOW well through the engine.

When you get your Engle cam and lifters be sure to also get a copy of their break in directions. Pay particular attention to the part about valve springs. Crank the engine for oil pressure without the rocker arms and push rods in place. This will keep the assembly lube on the cam lobes and lifter faces till needed when the engine runs for the first time.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:08 pm

Cam and lifter lube:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eal.aspx

Engine Break in:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/brk.aspx

The rest of the engines life:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/zrt.aspx

I break in my engines with dual springs on, and ratio rockers on.
Prime it with a drill pump and fire that sucker up, I think I'm one of the few
who have still not lost a cam, this stuff works.
Chevy springs, K-800 springs, or some other higher pressure system, thats another story, but standard dual springs and good lifters, then you good to go.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:57 pm

I use the empi lube a lobe over 60000 miles and still look great.

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:11 pm

mark tucker wrote: I use the empi lube a lobe over 60000 miles and still look great.
Good to hear they work for you Mark, what cam and spring set up are you running?
I'm so scared to run anything "empi" inside an engine I guess I'll never see this for myself. Problem is what works today or on one part is sure to fail tomorrow or on the next part. No consistency in quality

Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:23 pm

SRP1 wrote: Cam and lifter lube:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eal.aspx

Engine Break in:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/brk.aspx

The rest of the engines life:
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/zrt.aspx

I break in my engines with dual springs on, and ratio rockers on.
Prime it with a drill pump and fire that sucker up, I think I'm one of the few
who have still not lost a cam, this stuff works.
Chevy springs, K-800 springs, or some other higher pressure system, thats another story, but standard dual springs and good lifters, then you good to go.

I break my cams in with dual springs also. 3 VW motors no problems. At work we don't take out any springs to break in the domestic motors we install. SB and BB Chevy Ford and Chryslers. Don't understand why we need to with a VW, as said before it's under the crank getting showered with oil and the cam and lifters have to live with the springs that you are going to run, so why not just use them from the get go?

I've run Engle cams with CB light weights and 'cause I didn't know they were "crap" a set of Scat lube-a-lobes in my last engine 2 years of abuse and no problems.

brad

Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:25 am

paulsta wrote: Hi, can't seem to find much information on why there is a hole on the face of the lifter
I'll tell you exactly why that hole is there.
It's because of a guy named George Brown. He thought it was a good idea, so he threw lots of money at, and begged a well known lifter manufacturer to put it in. It didn't do anything because that lifter manufacturer never had any failures.
Then SCAT found out about what he had done, and put the hole in their lifters. It didn't do anything for them either, theirs still kept wiping out cams.

Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:50 am

Are all the Scat lifters "bad"? I have a motor built by Chico and he used a Web-Cam and Scat lifters. So far (2500 miles) the valves are all even,when should I be expecting a "wiped out cam" ?
Chico has a good rep,and builds a lot of motors,so wondering why he would use these lifters if they are so bad :?:

Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:23 am

Scat lifters are very good with SC1 cam blanks, with a good amount of ZDDP in your oil they'll last long.

Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:32 am

scat may have better lifters nowdays. as for my setup, cb eagle cam #2250, .420 lobe,[email protected] rockers, bugpack 4046 duel springs,about 1.65 on the seat.empi billet 31mm lifters with hole.cr pushrods.5-20 synthetic oil.

Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:17 am

I personally use cb light weights. They work, they light, and have not had total disaster with them, unlike my old web cam/lifters

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:07 am

mark tucker wrote: scat may have better lifters nowdays. .

I highly doubt it. If they changed something I'm sure we'd be hearing about it....

Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:50 pm

ALB wrote: mark tucker wrote: scat may have better lifters nowdays. .

I highly doubt it. If they changed something I'm sure we'd be hearing about it.... and how is that? everybodu is skeered to use them,and if they do they sure wont tell about it.I know Im not using them and dont plan too.trying to go roller on all my stuff.