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Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:20 pm

a1steaksauce wrote: RatCamper wrote: I like the decision to bag it. Much more practical than a normal lowered vehicle.
that's debatable.

Having absolutely destroyed the undercarriage on a lowered vehicle I think some ability to change ride height would be wonderful. Both my old ZL Fairlane and the S beetle had about an arm of clearance underneath. The S would just slide over things *shudders thinking of the helplessness and scraping* whereas the ZL would high center on speed bumps, any driveway entrance with a gutter, large bumps in the road etc if I wasn't careful. So I don't know, bagged seems okay to me.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:24 pm

RatCamper wrote:
Having absolutely destroyed the undercarriage on a lowered vehicle I think some ability to change ride height would be wonderful. Both my old ZL Fairlane and the S beetle had about an arm of clearance underneath. The S would just slide over things *shudders thinking of the helplessness and scraping* whereas the ZL would high center on speed bumps, any driveway entrance with a gutter, large bumps in the road etc if I wasn't careful. So I don't know, bagged seems okay to me.

i think it would depend on the vehicle...my lowered beetle does just fine, but the lowered rabbit i had would hit on everything and there was more ground clearance on the rabbit. but i hear you on the appeal of adjustable ride height. a friend of mine is doing air ride to his bus as well because they'll be times his full family is rolling with him in the bus and other times they are not, so bagged makes total sense in his case.

VWsArent4Hippies wrote: How come you did not do a link pin beam? Or at least a beam raise? The tube spacing and balljoint travel is going to keep the front from being very low. Looks good otherwise

he flipped his balljoints and is running dropped spindles.

i think he'll get it down there with that combo.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:53 pm

a1steaksauce wrote: RatCamper wrote:
Having absolutely destroyed the undercarriage on a lowered vehicle I think some ability to change ride height would be wonderful. Both my old ZL Fairlane and the S beetle had about an arm of clearance underneath. The S would just slide over things *shudders thinking of the helplessness and scraping* whereas the ZL would high center on speed bumps, any driveway entrance with a gutter, large bumps in the road etc if I wasn't careful. So I don't know, bagged seems okay to me.

i think it would depend on the vehicle...my lowered beetle does just fine, but the lowered rabbit i had would hit on everything and there was more ground clearance on the rabbit. but i hear you on the appeal of adjustable ride height. a friend of mine is doing air ride to his bus as well because they'll be times his full family is rolling with him in the bus and other times they are not, so bagged makes total sense in his case.

VWsArent4Hippies wrote: How come you did not do a link pin beam? Or at least a beam raise? The tube spacing and balljoint travel is going to keep the front from being very low. Looks good otherwise

he flipped his balljoints and is running dropped spindles.

i think he'll get it down there with that combo.

my Fairlane was kind of like this, but white, on wide chromed steelies, and a sort of a spoiler bumper. Also had dark tint and didn't have those louvre things.

Anyway being low and LWB it was an utter pig to get around the place. 10x worse with passengers. many times I could be heard yelling "F***!" rather loudly just after a horrific bang and coming to a dead stop. I really can appreciate the ability to give a little lift where needed.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:05 pm

a1steaksauce wrote: VWsArent4Hippies wrote: How come you did not do a link pin beam? Or at least a beam raise? The tube spacing and balljoint travel is going to keep the front from being very low. Looks good otherwise

he flipped his balljoints and is running dropped spindles.

i think he'll get it down there with that combo.

I see now, those half ass welded balljoints are sketchy :shock:

Still though, that's a lot of work to do when a linkpin beam has so many more advantages. If he drives it low at all those levers for the bottom bag brackets are going to get fucked pretty quick.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:29 pm

VWsArent4Hippies wrote:
I see now, those half ass welded balljoints are sketchy :shock:

Still though, that's a lot of work to do when a linkpin beam has so many more advantages. If he drives it low at all those levers for the bottom bag brackets are going to get fucked pretty quick.

balljoint flip isn't my cup of tea either, but the guys over in england have had much success with them.

he made the bottom brackets run parallel with the bottom trailing arms...so if he lays it out they will be angled up just like his lower trailing arms...and out of harm's way. the stops (i'm assuming that's what they are) look like they would hang down slightly, but again it looks like he'll hit other things first like the steering arm or tow hooks :lol:

personally i'm glad to see people get creative with the balljoint setups. yeah link pin solves all sorts of issues but for people to make balljoint work and do what they want is way more impressive imo.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:49 pm

VWsArent4Hippies wrote:

I see now, those half ass welded balljoints are sketchy :shock:

Still though, that's a lot of work to do when a linkpin beam has so many more advantages. If he drives it low at all those levers for the bottom bag brackets are going to get fucked pretty quick.

So they are "half ass welded" because the finished part of the weld is not pristine? From the frame work, the shop, and the design, I would lean toward him knowing quite a bit more about what HE is doing than you or me...fair?

I also feel you do not need to worry about "how much work" he is doing, since...He, is doing it. Let people do what they want without the Fox News spin on it. SO you have a master plan, great, it has nothing to do with his.

This kind of mentality is troubling, let the guys kick ass how they want to kick ass. He will learn or he will break ground with something new....either way it is HIS prerogative.

Keep doing it big over there Notvanity!! I Love the work and the skillset!

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:04 am

505BusFanatic wrote: I would lean toward him knowing quite a bit more about what HE is doing than you or me...fair

Haha! You're right, I don't know shit about buses or lowering them at all for that matter. I don't know you so I can't comment on what you know. I'm glad you can about me though :roll:

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:11 am

VWsArent4Hippies wrote: 505BusFanatic wrote: I would lean toward him knowing quite a bit more about what HE is doing than you or me...fair

Haha! You're right, I don't know shit about buses or lowering them at all for that matter. I don't know you so I can't comment on what you know. I'm glad you can about me though :roll:

Again, you are making this about You and what you know, I did not say YOU don't know your ish (it is known you do, for sure) my point was that let this guy do his thing. I'm just speaking for all the people that are skilled with tools and are not pigeon holed into "the way". I appreciate the shout out to not knowing my set as well, that is the same vibe I had for Notvanity.

"One love" to the Non stock ride height! Just like the off topic converstation here....."Drop it". :lol:

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:25 am

I thinks it's awesome. Nice fabrication.

The cinematography and music are very nice too. Keep it up!

Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:29 pm

of the work
sorry for the bad quality

Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:33 pm

I knew I like you guys for a reason or 2, now you drop a video With The Wu, Triumph is a perfect song for the triumphant display of airbag functionality. Winning!

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:27 pm

Beautiful. I see no problem with the struts for keeping the bag ends even. In the fully up and down position they are out of the way. If they get ground in the low position, other things will too but if the builder is also the driver it's pretty much guaranteed it won't get damaged.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:51 pm

RatCamper wrote: Beautiful. I see no problem with the struts for keeping the bag ends even. In the fully up and down position they are out of the way. If they get ground in the low position, other things will too but if the builder is also the driver it's pretty much guaranteed it won't get damaged.

You need something like this

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 pm

After careful consideration I have decided I have absolutely no idea what your post means. :lol:

Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Dissection Body :)

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:36 pm

I strongly approve. You are the only person I have ever seen gusset the sides after the cutout was done. That should be quite a bit stronger than just the cutout and the curved piece inside.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:43 pm

Dude, that is AWESOME. I love the wheels, the paint, the work you've put into it. Plus the videos are pretty epic with the slow pans and the lighting. Although I don't have sound on, for all I know you have the entertainer as the music.

Great job!

Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:27 pm

RatCamper wrote: I strongly approve. You are the only person I have ever seen gusset the sides after the cutout was done. That should be quite a bit stronger than just the cutout and the curved piece inside.

i got to agree, that's an excellent way to go about it.

i used a seamless quarter walled tube and left it full circle for strength for my tie rod notches...but i do like the way you went about it in this application.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:50 pm

Gusset plate
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gusset plates

Gusset plates are thick sheets of steel that are used to connect beams and girders to columns or to connect truss members . A gusset plate can be fastened to a permanent member either by bolts, rivets or welding or a combination of the three.[1] Gusset plates not only serve as a method of joining steel members together but they also strengthen the joint.[2] They can be used in bridges and buildings along with other structures.[1]
On August 1, 2007, the I-35W Mississippi River Bridge failed due to the improper designing of the gusset plates. The gusset plates that failed were found to be only a 1/2 inch thick rather than a larger size appropriate to the application; with an increase in loading due to construction projects over the years, the gusset plates became even more inadequate.[3] The National Transportation Safety Board attributed most of the cause of the failure of the bridge to the inadequacy of the gusset plates.[4]
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Okay, this is my lesson for today.
Thanks.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:51 pm

Gusset plate
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gusset plates

Gusset plates are thick sheets of steel that are used to connect beams and girders to columns or to connect truss members . A gusset plate can be fastened to a permanent member either by bolts, rivets or welding or a combination of the three.[1] Gusset plates not only serve as a method of joining steel members together but they also strengthen the joint.[2] They can be used in bridges and buildings along with other structures.[1]
On August 1, 2007, the I-35W Mississippi River Bridge failed due to the improper designing of the gusset plates. The gusset plates that failed were found to be only a 1/2 inch thick rather than a larger size appropriate to the application; with an increase in loading due to construction projects over the years, the gusset plates became even more inadequate.[3] The National Transportation Safety Board attributed most of the cause of the failure of the bridge to the inadequacy of the gusset plates.[4]
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Okay, this is my lesson for today.
Thanks.