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Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:20 pm

chazz79 wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: i vote for light green sleeves, and upper half, blue stripe, dark green bottom half, with a light green lower edge (like the bumpers)

i know of a transporter WW getting a engine soon....it may be for sale again too...(Kirk?) if someones interested...pm me.

I thought of that too but it wouldn't be feasible unless you knew a good tye-dye guy. To do something that large in vinyl transfer usually results in. something that cracks and peals.

let me work some magical connections here, because i know of a certain 1970 vw bus owner who does tye-dye....;)

Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:53 pm

chazz79 wrote:

I thought of that too but it wouldn't be feasible unless you knew a good tye-dye guy. To do something that large in vinyl transfer usually results in. something that cracks and peals.

Oh, so shirt patina? ;)

Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:22 pm

Chazz, last night I read your build thread and all I can say is WOW, awesome job!!

I'm seriously thinking about buying the ww from my co-worker, he's offered it to me at what I think is a reasonable price. Currently there's no engine in it but it comes with a porsche 1.7 that was rebuilt by the previous owner and has been modified (mounts) to fit in the bus. Supposedly all it needs is to be installed and nothing else needs to be changed on the bus. Does this sound correct? He thinks I should run it with the porsche engine but I was thinking maybe I would sell or trade for a vw engine. I did read some of the bus/914 threads and it seems like theres more to it than just dropping in the engine.

Please remember I have no mechanical skills whatsoever.

Thanks

Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:44 am

To fit a 914 engine in a bus you just need to switch over the correct bus engine cooling tin, yes all of it and to a bus flywheel/clutch assembly. Pretty easy swap if you have the correct parts!
Most 914 1.7's were the 82 hp versions but there is also a 72hp version (EC code).

Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:37 am

I've seen one done but it's never really correct looking. The tins fit but usually the spark plug holes get wobbled around to make the boots fit. 914 swaps are usually easy to spot with the wierd dipstick and duct tape around the plug holes.

Depending on the amount of rust it has, as long as it's restorable it's probobly worth 700-1000. It's a rough guess without pics.

When you head back to look at this just get a pic of the bus, the m-plate (behind the driver seat) and jot down the vin if you can. If you decide to pass please post some location info here and accept some pm's asking a phone # of the seller. You'll likely help get it sold even if you don't want it.

Any info gathered might help solve the mystery around the westerners.

Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:41 am

For my 2 cents keep it it original. The original 1700 engine can be changed out in less than 1 hour.

You will endure many headaches as well as higher costs to install the Porsche engine, also if any problems arise ...well you know the rest of the story.

Go to: www.rossvw.com/wildwesterner to register your Wild Westerner

I was holding back registering my WW becos my photo was in primer, however i went ahead and sent my info this morning/

We need to get this info in order to piece the puzzle together on how many were produced, how many are still with us and where they have migrated to.

I received a PM that a WW is seen occasionally around Dallas. Does anyone know the owner?

Is anyone interested in buying the WW in Mexico but may be concerned abt transporting back to the US, or maybe concerned abt safety? Send me a pm I will be glad to help.

Where i come from its shrimp & grits !

Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:29 am

i talked to the tyedyer...she will be posting here soon 8)

Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:45 pm

Stuartzickefoose wrote: chazz79 wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: i vote for light green sleeves, and upper half, blue stripe, dark green bottom half, with a light green lower edge (like the bumpers)

i know of a transporter WW getting a engine soon....it may be for sale again too...(Kirk?) if someones interested...pm me.

I thought of that too but it wouldn't be feasible unless you knew a good tye-dye guy. To do something that large in vinyl transfer usually results in. something that cracks and peals.

let me work some magical connections here, because i know of a certain 1970 vw bus owner who does tye-dye....;)

I'm that 70 bus owner who tie dyes! LOL Guess I will have to try to do something like this. I will have to see what colors I have as far as light and dark greens though. This gives me an excuse to pull the dyes back out. I will post a pic as soon as I can do some. May be a few weeks give or take though. Need to get time to do it. :D

Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:10 pm

justcruzin wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: chazz79 wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: i vote for light green sleeves, and upper half, blue stripe, dark green bottom half, with a light green lower edge (like the bumpers)

i know of a transporter WW getting a engine soon....it may be for sale again too...(Kirk?) if someones interested...pm me.

I thought of that too but it wouldn't be feasible unless you knew a good tye-dye guy. To do something that large in vinyl transfer usually results in. something that cracks and peals.

let me work some magical connections here, because i know of a certain 1970 vw bus owner who does tye-dye....;)

I'm that 70 bus owner who tie dyes! LOL Guess I will have to try to do something like this. I will have to see what colors I have as far as light and dark greens though. This gives me an excuse to pull the dyes back out. I will post a pic as soon as I can do some. May be a few weeks give or take though. Need to get time to do it. :D

That Stuart is a task master isn't he? He must have the Cavorka to be able to get such buy in. :wink:

Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:54 pm

Forget abouot colors. Until it's a picture of a Bay Window bus nothing really matters. :wink: Accurate looking or just cartoonish it doesn't matter, just so it's a Bay and not a Split with Bay low lights and the window divider removed.

Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:49 pm

Westfabulous wrote: justcruzin wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: chazz79 wrote: Stuartzickefoose wrote: i vote for light green sleeves, and upper half, blue stripe, dark green bottom half, with a light green lower edge (like the bumpers)

i know of a transporter WW getting a engine soon....it may be for sale again too...(Kirk?) if someones interested...pm me.

I thought of that too but it wouldn't be feasible unless you knew a good tye-dye guy. To do something that large in vinyl transfer usually results in. something that cracks and peals.

let me work some magical connections here, because i know of a certain 1970 vw bus owner who does tye-dye....;)

I'm that 70 bus owner who tie dyes! LOL Guess I will have to try to do something like this. I will have to see what colors I have as far as light and dark greens though. This gives me an excuse to pull the dyes back out. I will post a pic as soon as I can do some. May be a few weeks give or take though. Need to get time to do it. :D

That Stuart is a task master isn't he? He must have the Cavorka to be able to get such buy in. :wink:

a what? :? whats a cavorka?

(googling....)

And i found this....
http://www.algonet.se/~mastlaca/Kramer.html

so now i completely agree :D

Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:52 pm

I agree as well Stuart :wink:

Remember I told you once, its not who you know its who knows you :lol:

Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:14 am

Okay People listen up !!!

Do not dismantle or junk any vehicle becos you do not have a title. Titles can be gotten and there are several options, one is abandon vehicle title. When you go thru the process you get a clean title as if you purchased it from someone else.

Two people on this forum know where two WW that are in scrap yards please get the vin number or m code plate info so we can log these as Dead on Arrival ! It is very important that we try to locate and account for all of them !
Anyone that knows of any Wild Westerners already destroyed please give us the scarp yard info. I will try to contact them and see if i can get the vin numbers.

Don't forget its gonna be one hell of a race today !
The Human Race :lol:

Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:20 am

Just for clarification

The upper color is ravenna green

lower color is apple green

I often get those confused because the upper looks more like green apples to me.

I'm building a pinewood derby car of my bus right now and tapped into my paint remnants to give it the oficial paint scheme, the labels were right there to correct my wrong assumptions.

fyi. a correct paint job will require at least a gallon of ravenna but onlt 2 quarts of apple. I miscalculated and have two quarts of apple left and barely any revenna. Luckily I did not havea roof to paint or I'd beemln screwed.

By correct paint job I mean inside out with windows removed.

Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:49 am

Bill Sullivan wrote: Okay People listen up !!!

Do not dismantle or junk any vehicle because you do not have a title. Titles can be gotten and there are several options, one is abandon vehicle title. When you go thru the process you get a clean title as if you purchased it from someone else.

I always chuckle a little bit when I see an ad on Craigslist or the samba that says "no title, but they are easy to get". No, they are not, unless you live in CA. If they were easy to get, the seller would have already done so.

Titles are often a huge pain in the ass, and quite often have been the deciding factor for me on whether to even bother looking at a bus for sale. There had better be some serious value in a bus I am buying that does not have a title, or it simply becomes parts value. I know I am far from alone with this statement.

Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:37 am

It is a process, some are easy and some are tough it depends on if you have the know how and the patience to pursue.

However, i agree it does affect the value which is a bonus for the buyer. So any Wild Westerners for with no titles please let me know so i will gladly take them off your hands.

SOB Save Our Buses !!!

Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:17 am

Now I'm really confused, doesn't Bills birth certificate show the colors reversed?

Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:33 am

RixiesRide wrote: Now I'm really confused, doesn't Bills birth certificate show the colors reversed?

You are very observant .

I just had the bottom paint mixed L64M .

Damn the delivery Doctor has it wrong again !

Or my bus was born as@ backwards ?

Those Germans are jus messin with me !

Where I come from its cornbread and whiskey

Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:32 pm

Inching Forward:
I received another version of the "small fleet of buses specially painted for the World Fair" story 3rd hand from a Spokane source, but nothing confirmable yet. They were certain, however, that the buses came from United Volkswagen in Spokane, which was apparently later purchased in '76 by Sherwin & Hollenbach, and was located where Appleway VW is now. Anybody got an Appleway VW connection or source?

I also found these details:

1. Link to the Expo '74 Logo submission letter from Lloyd Carlson on 21-Jan-1972:
http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2012/05/Expo74letter.pdf

2. Newspaper Article confirming Spokane Transit System buses would be painted Expo colors, from 13-Feb-1973
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tadYAAAAIBAJ&...%2C3558692

So, it seems totally feasible that the Expo '74 logo and colors were selected early enough that the Wild Westerner paint/decal model (if truly related to Expo '74) could be devised and in production in Germany by May '73.

Hopefully more to come!

Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:39 pm

Contact Paul Dwyer at Appleway Volkswagen. He is the parts department manager, and has been there for a long time. If he doesn't know about a connection, he will know who does.