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Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:44 am

wcfvw69 wrote:
It looks like factory primer to me. I wonder if they simply just didn't lay under it when it was painted. I can't recall if bugs were still manually painted in 64?

This is an ad from 1964 discussing the paint:

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:57 am

fla2smoker wrote: wcfvw69 wrote:
It looks like factory primer to me. I wonder if they simply just didn't lay under it when it was painted. I can't recall if bugs were still manually painted in 64?

This is an ad from 1964 discussing the paint:

That is marketing and is not accurate. The dip they talk about is primer. Not finish paint. After the car was dipped it was then wet sanded. After that then the car was robotically electrostatically painted in the final finish color. If they were actually wet sanded and painted two more times and baked two times then they had one coat of primer and three coats of paint. Not every square inch of a bug got finish paint on it. There are lots of areas inside and underneath that didn't get much if any finish paint. This was the case when they were spraying them by hand and also once they started the robotic spraying in the late 50's.

You can clearly see factory primer on the underside of the red bug in this screen grab from Wolfsburg 221. The car is a '60 model.

According to the old Wolfsburg 221 film the cars received three coats of paint on top of the primer. 6:35 into the video

The black car in question looks 100% correct to me. What you see around the front end and underside of the apron are the factory gray primer. Not white paint. Too bad the original owner ordered dealer applied undercoating but nonetheless that is one incredible car.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:22 am

wcfvw69 wrote: Mr. Mike wrote: fla2smoker wrote: sgmalt46 wrote: ya ? also white paint under the apron above the muffler ? odd. :?

I just noticed that as well.......

I noticed that too, the white is oddly out of place. That's a lot of living in 22mi to get a repaint.

L87>L41 :wink:

It looks like factory primer to me. I wonder if they simply just didn't lay under it when it was painted. I can't recall if bugs were still manually painted in 64?

Anyone else notice how well the muffler fits? Especially where the fresh air hooked up to the heater box with the wide clamp? Don't we all DREAM that the aftermarket POS mufflers sold today fit anywhere near that close at that junction?? :lol:

That's the truth, the fit is lovely. The car is gorgeous. Will you be bringing it to the The 35th Annual Vintage Meet will be July 16th, 2016 in Shoreline?

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:30 am

splitjunkie wrote: You can clearly see factory primer on the underside of the red bug in this screen grab from Wolfsburg 221. The car is a '60 model.

Nice find! I cant believe they missed a spot, Heinz Nordhoff must have been out that day.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:38 am

Very cool splitjunkie! Love that screen grab!
Again this isn't mine, just passing it on for non facebook users!

Quote: Those two toned wheels are amazing......oh and the hubcaps are in factory boxes piled up on the rear seat!

Quote: The box in the pictures, is the original battery, never out-boxed or filled......

Quote: Original VWOA cardboard shipping box with a N.O.S. 6 volt battery......

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:42 am

Mr. Mike wrote: splitjunkie wrote: You can clearly see factory primer on the underside of the red bug in this screen grab from Wolfsburg 221. The car is a '60 model.

Nice find! I cant believe they missed a spot, Heinz Nordhoff must have been out that day.

That is the way they are are. VW was only going to paint the areas that would need the protection of paint and that would be seen by customers. The wasted paint per car could have cost VW a lot of money.

Painting every square inch of a beetle is only something done by people redoing them who don't mind spending a bunch of money on paint that no one will ever see.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:50 am

Even still has the factory outside rear view mirror hinge cover.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:25 pm

iowegian wrote: It would sure look sweet slammed in the weeds. :D

On earlies! :roll:

Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:48 pm

splitjunkie wrote: Mr. Mike wrote: splitjunkie wrote: You can clearly see factory primer on the unders ikes de of the red bug in this screen grab from Wolfsburg 221. The car is a '60 model.

Nice find! I cant believe they missed a spot, Heinz Nordhoff must have been out that day.

That is the way they are are. VW was only going to paint the areas that would need the protection of paint and that would be seen by customers. The wasted paint per car could have cost VW a lot of money.

Painting every square inch of a beetle is only something done by people redoing them who don't mind spending a bunch of money on paint that no one will ever see. ok that sounds right but why the painted trans ? never seen that on an original car ? not saying the car is not legit i just find it strange.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:01 pm

I do believe the transaxle on my '64 is black also

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:06 pm

My '65 transmission was black as well. My grandparents bought it new so I know it was the original transmission to the car.

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:12 pm

Mine has peeling black paint as well on the original transaxle

Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:16 pm

Ditto, my '64 original transaxle shows black areas as well

Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:40 am

OK what is going to happen with the automobile. We can all drool all over it but what will happen to it where is it going.
Please let some of us know.

Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:57 am

I'd sure love to have a hour or two with it on a lift and a good camera.

Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:20 am

sgmalt46 wrote: ok that sounds right but why the painted trans ? never seen that on an original car ? not saying the car is not legit i just find it strange.
flyboy161 wrote: I do believe the transaxle on my '64 is black also
splitjunkie wrote: My '65 transmission was black as well. My grandparents bought it new so I know it was the original transmission to the car.

They started painting them black at some point... not sure what on what date.

Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:22 am

splitjunkie wrote: Mr. Mike wrote: splitjunkie wrote: You can clearly see factory primer on the underside of the red bug in this screen grab from Wolfsburg 221. The car is a '60 model.

Nice find! I cant believe they missed a spot, Heinz Nordhoff must have been out that day.

That is the way they are are. VW was only going to paint the areas that would need the protection of paint and that would be seen by customers. The wasted paint per car could have cost VW a lot of money.

Painting every square inch of a beetle is only something done by people redoing them who don't mind spending a bunch of money on paint that no one will ever see.

I would be really interested in final selling price as well. North of $100k I would suspect.

Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:30 pm

EverettB wrote: sgmalt46 wrote: ok that sounds right but why the painted trans ? never seen that on an original car ? not saying the car is not legit i just find it strange.
flyboy161 wrote: I do believe the transaxle on my '64 is black also
splitjunkie wrote: My '65 transmission was black as well. My grandparents bought it new so I know it was the original transmission to the car.

They started painting them black at some point... not sure what on what date.

Weird.. My 69 bug has the original transmission in it and it's never been out of the car. It's not painted.

Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:47 pm

Transmissions on my 1970 and 1971 are not painted either.

Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:18 pm

I'm interested in knowing what would happen if you tried to run this car that has been sitting there for 52 years. Is Woody Allen's movie "Sleeper" accurate? Would it start right up? Or what? Would the engine need to be rebuilt just from sitting there so long? I suppose the oil in the engine case would not be in too good of shape. Not to mention the gasoline. Would carburetor have to be cleaned? Would brakes still work?