TheSamba.com :: View topic - 1964 with 22 original miles (Black Beauty)

Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:46 pm

i actually live about a mile from this car......the folks are as serious to sell it as the price indicates.....its not actually for sale its just for looks/bragging.....i had a client who wanted it i contacted the broker.....its a joke and not for sale......sidenote by 64 they had made so many of these things and shipped all over the globe it wouldnt surprise me at all if there were 5 more with similar mileage

Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:59 pm

The people that INHERITED this VW have not ever been true collectors. They are only in this game for the money. I tracked down the wife and spoke to her and her impression of the value of this VW are through the roof. She thinks she has a 0 mile Porsche 356 or something as exotic. It really isnt worth anybodys time to talk with them as I can see their minds havent changed. It usually is a situation where one person can come along and talk them down......not these folks.

Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:29 am

"There is an ass for every seat" as they say.

Guess the ass that fits this seat hasn't showed up yet. :roll:

Most "investors" won't touch a car that is so specialized and so expensive there is little chance they can ever recoup their money.

Takes a certain kind of person to buy a car like that, someone with passion and tons o' expendable cash.

We have a local legend, "The Myth of the Rich Flatlander". Said mythical creature is supposed to come up from the states south of us with a duffle bag full of cash. Townspeople line up along the main street as our mythical rich creature passes through tossing fistfuls of bills at the adoring crowd.

Nice car, but...

Most "investors" start with a list. They check it over and over. When we get into the big money a world of Porsches, Lamborghinis, Ferraris or even plum crazy purple muscle cars opens up.

I don't know if I'd make a purchase that told everyone I was a fool and this fool and his money were easily parted.

For $250k I can own:

A $42k 200mph land speed record holder that's street legal and comfortably street drivable.

A $50k Shelby Cobra replica. $50k is the going rate on those.

Another $100k should buy me two of the nicest restored Bugs anyone has ever seen. Maybe one resto- custom and one really gnarly Baja. 8)

It looks like I'll still have $58k left over for tires, detail and a plum crazy paint job on my Cobra. :lol:

The detail that has me puzzled on this '64 is the front beam that was clearly very rusty before it was painted. WTF? I have a cleaner front beam on the black '64 I have that spent the last 20 years parked out in a Rust Belt field.

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Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:08 pm

I won’t let my client buy it for several reasons and it’s handling as a car for sale has been a joke in my opinion……..bought lots of cars for lots of guys and serious sellers (again I don’t have confidence in this car being actually for sale and I definitely don’t have confidence in the guy representing it…….my guess is a family friend turned “broker”)

So now I will give my 2 cents………the beetle is a base model nothing fancy not even the color is special if it was legitimately for sale and was to be sold I personally think in todays “market” $40-50k is more than generous…….if it was a split or a barndoor maybe the asking price could be at least entertained

Low mileage is actually quite common in high end cars in fact it’s hard to find high mileage examples of exotic’s ………this beetle is not exotic in any way at all except it’s low mileage and that’s cool don’t get me wrong, it’s just too bad it’s a base model 1964 black beetle

Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:52 pm

To be fair, for the US market there was only one Beetle you could have LOL. It wasn't like Plymouth where you could have a Belvedere, Satellite, Sport Satellite, Road Runner, GTX and have it all be the same base car. There weren't engine options or trim packages :lol: Simple cars, "Think Small".

Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:55 pm

The Voice of Reason Speaks:

hugheseum wrote: So now I will give my 2 cents………the beetle is a base model nothing fancy not even the color is special if it was legitimately for sale and was to be sold I personally think in todays “market” $40-50k is more than generous…….if it was a split or a barndoor maybe the asking price could be at least entertained

Yes! Thank you!

hugheseum wrote: Low mileage is actually quite common in high end cars in fact it’s hard to find high mileage examples of exotic’s ………this beetle is not exotic in any way at all except it’s low mileage and that’s cool don’t get me wrong, it’s just too bad it’s a base model 1964 black beetle

This morning I gassed up our Toyota in a nearby town. Followed an Audi R8 on the way back. I got over any R8 envy I might have had when I worked on one as the guest mechanic at a semi- local "tuner". Seen it naked. Had my fingers in one. Cool car but I don't need to own one...

The Lamborghini with the same motor screams "Lamborghini!" almost as loud as it screams "Midlife Crisis!" :lol:

Point is this particular R8 was burning a substantial amount of oil. I don't expect my Toyota to burn oil until it covers half a million miles...

Last one I parked rolled over 300k. Parked it because I got another Toyota. It sat for a few years. It didn't even light a "check engine" light when I started it with smelly old gas in it back in August. 8)

Tough call, though. One old VW or enough old Porsches I can go to SCCA track days, maybe even wreck one. :D Off- topic but you can't afford to race it if you can't afford to wreck it.

67ctbug wrote: To be fair, for the US market there was only one Beetle you could have LOL. It wasn't like Plymouth where you could have a Belvedere, Satellite, Sport Satellite, Road Runner, GTX and have it all be the same base car. There weren't engine options or trim packages :lol: Simple cars, "Think Small".

So what you're saying is I can have one old black Bug or I can have a Belvedere, a Satellite, a Sport Satellite, a Road Runner and a GTX for around $250k? :D

I'll take a plum crazy purple Charger with a re- imagined green and yellow Confederate flag on top. Complimentary colors doncha know? I'll call my Charger "General Nuisance". :D

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Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:42 pm

hugheseum wrote: I won’t let my client buy it for several reasons and it’s handling as a car for sale has been a joke in my opinion……..bought lots of cars for lots of guys and serious sellers (again I don’t have confidence in this car being actually for sale and I definitely don’t have confidence in the guy representing it…….my guess is a family friend turned “broker”)

So now I will give my 2 cents………the beetle is a base model nothing fancy not even the color is special if it was legitimately for sale and was to be sold I personally think in todays “market” $40-50k is more than generous…….if it was a split or a barndoor maybe the asking price could be at least entertained

Low mileage is actually quite common in high end cars in fact it’s hard to find high mileage examples of exotic’s ………this beetle is not exotic in any way at all except it’s low mileage and that’s cool don’t get me wrong, it’s just too bad it’s a base model 1964 black beetle

This is exactly right......."turned broker" after inheritance. Now the idiot thinks he has a "million dollar Volkswagen". And he has THE WORST attitude for any person that wants to sell a vehicle.

Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:14 pm

Dusty1 wrote:

67ctbug wrote: To be fair...

So what you're saying is I can have one old black Bug or I can have a Belvedere, a Satellite, a Sport Satellite, a Road Runner and a GTX for around $250k? :D

I'll take a plum crazy purple Charger with a re- imagined green and yellow Confederate flag on top. Complimentary colors doncha know? I'll call my Charger "General Nuisance". :D

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LOL More of a roundabout way to say calling it just a base model is amusing to me :lol: I'd take the Road Runner over the bug. 440, F6 green with black vinyl top, bench seat, 4 Speed, 15" steelies.

Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:11 pm

Lovely VW. Great resource for purists. I wish we could have seen some photos from behind the wire cover in the trunk.

Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:26 pm

If there is anything in particular you are looking for I can send you pics from a ‘relatively untouched’ 64, but it has a few more thousand miles on it than 22… :)
Feel free to send me a PM.

Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:10 am

67ctbug wrote: LOL More of a roundabout way to say calling it just a base model is amusing to me :lol: I'd take the Road Runner over the bug. 440, F6 green with black vinyl top, bench seat, 4 Speed, 15" steelies.

I'll take a '73 LeBaron (Imperial), the perfect accessory to a high dollar low mileage Bug. I could use my Imperial to conserve my Bug. I would never add to the mileage on my Bug if I carried it around in the trunk of my Imperial...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

-MY- Imperial would be plum crazy purple with a cross ram Hemi. I'd keep the 727 Torqueflite. Although...

I could have the world's only four speed Imperial. 8)

I'm being silly. I'd have to put on my clown costume to be as silly as a quarter of a million dollar Bug. :roll:

Didja know there is enough room in many '70s American full sized cars to carry an entire VW floor pan "in the trunk"? I had to take out the back seat and Sawzall out a little bit of sheet metal between the trunk and the back seat in my BelAir. An entire VW chassis slides right in. The trunk lid would close.

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Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:13 pm

Current price is $290,000.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-greatest-su...10514.html

Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:17 pm

Bala wrote: Current price is $290,000.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-greatest-su...10514.html
It would be a service to the life of this 64. If the VW of Germany museum bought the car and displayed it for all, in perpetuity.

It would be a shame if the car made it into the hands of some wealthy unknowing person, who took the car to Kindig for a full modification into something the car was never intended to be.
The Hebmuller they did, made me wanna cry. And this comes from a guy that loves modified VW's. :wink:

Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 am

67rustavenger wrote:

It would be a shame if the car made it into the hands of some wealthy unknowing person, who took the car to Kindig for a full modification into something the car was never intended to be.
The Hebmuller they did, made me wanna cry. And this comes from a guy that loves modified VW's. :wink:

FWIW, the heb wasn't a mint, un-restored example, and Kindig effectively did a full stock restoration on the complete car, then built a second pan with the custom suspension/drive train in it and dropped the stock body on top of it. The original restored pan and motor/trans is kept/stored in case they ever wanted to return it to stock.

Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:21 am

I wonder what happened to this car...

Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:46 am

I fantasize about finding a car like this through a local ad or something. I read most of this thread and it's fascinating.

Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:49 am

jhicken wrote: I wonder what happened to this car...

Looks like it may still be for sale

https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1649891/1964-volkswagen-beetle-for-sale-in-boring-oregon-97009

Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:32 am

If I bought some new car today and preserved it like that Bug for 63 years, it will become worth a lot of money, I'll be rich!!!!! But I'd also be dead by then :cry:

Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:32 pm

That wouldn't work with new cars any more. there is just too much crap in them that won't last. You would just have a heap of toxic waste. Like the 800000 cars that France just grounded this week because they contain Takata airbags that might blow up on you.