TheSamba.com :: View topic - Plug wires with 90 degree boot for bosch distributor for CDI

Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:49 am

I've been thinking of changing out my plug wires for the style with the 90° boot at the distributor, it makes things a bit easier to route cleanly and just plain looks good. I'm currently running a set of swooky purple Taylor Spiro-pro 8mm wires from CB Performance-

http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/spiropro.htm

They have served me rather well, but they are a bit too "boy racer" looking, and aren't available with a 90° boot at the distributor end. While I could simply crimp some new ends on, I'd rather buy a set of new wires.

I recently won an ebay auction for a "New Old Stock" Tiger 500 CDI box, and will be installing it once I verify that it is good to go. I also design my own CDI systems and would like the wires I put on to be suitable for use with CDI while still being able to work with basic stock Bosch distributors. I know the Taylor wires will work fine, but was looking at some replacement sets with the 90° boot.

The stock Bosch Type 3 wires would usually work fine, but I don't think they would work ideally with a CDI system firing a MSD Blaster (or similar) coil. I would be running a non-resistor rotor, plugs, and a ~.040" or so plug gap of course. I understand the newer wires are made with suppression wire, do they still have the resistors in the end, or do they simply have resistance in the wire itself? What's the reasoning behind this warning concerning pertronix modules? They used to be copper core with resistors in the ends if I'm not mistaken-

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Bosch-Plug-Wire-Set-Ignition-Wire-Set-1968-T3-p/09-004.htm

I see CB carries pertronix wires that come with 90° ends, but no tinware seals, I haven't been too impressed with pertronix products in the past, personally, but these would probably work if I threw some seals on them. Kind of expensive for not being complete with seals-

http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/pertronixplugwires.htm

I see even AutoZone carries a version of the type 3 wires in their Duralast (part #9845) brand, and they specify a "1k resistor" in the connector, but I'm unsure the wire material. I'm assuming it's the basic graphite business they use for everything else.

Am I vastly overthinking this? Should I just stop crying and just throw some new ends on my current wires? Should I buy the $20 Duralast wires and cross my fingers? Would a universal V8 wireset and some flapper seals be a better idea? Am I right in thinking that I don't want a resistor in the connector?

Here's a picture of the current stock carb rig that I'm running until my kadrons come back from getting rebushed. 1776, MSD coil fired with Ford TFI module, BP6HS plugs gapped at .031" with an 040/VJU4BR8 SVDA distributor.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:01 am

You could make your own wires.

90* ends are available loose as is bulk 7mm silicone wire. I've used some non-resistor 40hp ends and you can move the air seals from Bosch wires to whatever you get.

Years ago I used Mallory yellow wires, but switched to Bosch 09 001 after.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:16 am

Hmmmm. I could grab a roll of wire, and it would likely outlast me.

I was even considering just grabbing another set of Taylor wires, and throwing the 90° ends on them, since I do like the Taylor wires, as they can be manhandled pretty good without damage in ways that I wouldn't trust the Bosch wires to. My only complaint with most non-Bosch wire sets are the seals- they work fine on single port head tin, but are very, very difficult to seat in dual port tin.

Amazon has the 90° style that I know would work, these and a set of Bosch style seals sound like a nice custom solution that won't break the bank...

[url]Taylor Cable 46057 Socket Style 90-Degree Distributor and Coil Spark Plug Boot and Terminal Kit - Pack of 10 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CPZZVW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_zkDbzb7T5DGHN[/url]

A set of these should work to modify two sets of wires, and a set of Bosch style seals could easily be robbed off of some old wires or bought new for cheap from Aircooled.net. Either way the wires will likely last a great long while so it's pretty affordable no matter how you look at it.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:38 am

look for some type 3 square back or fast back plug wires. They have what you want.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:59 am

gt1953 wrote: look for some type 3 square back or fast back plug wires. They have what you want.

As mentioned in the first post, I've looked into those, to my knowledge the resistor ends are not desired for use with CDI and higher voltage coils. I'm unsure however if the current production Bosch features resistor ends or not, but I'm thinking they do. I haven't heard back from Aircooled.net about this yet.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:29 am

The socket style distributor caps just don't have many fancy options for wires. If the goal is mainly to clean up the look, I would do my own so you can get the length where you want it too. All the pre made sets are a little long in my opinion, lots of slack at the plug end flopping around....

The Bosch or Beru cylinder tin seals are my favorite, a set of those and a cut to fit set are my go to.

For several years, my choices are now MSD bulk wire and ends in either black or red, or NAPA Belden brand universal sets. They are dark blue and come in 4,6 and 8 cylinder sets. It's pretty cheap to buy the 8 cylinder set and make two 4 cylinder sets if you have enough connectors. The MSD ratcheting crimp tool is really nice, or similarities brand.

I wouldn't spend any money on Duralast. It's just the cheapest stuff on the market with a warranty.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:12 am

Absolutely 100% disagree about the duralast. Go look yourself, open the box and see what's inside. Mine are Bosch in a duralast box

For my 2.0 TSI I needed a diverter valve. Duralast box, genuine pierburg VW label and a damn fair price and didn't have to wait for shipping

Vatozone can be shit sometimes but you have to actually look and not just make generalizations

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:41 am

Agreed, my experience with them has been largely positive. O'Reilly auto on the other hand seems usually to be crap. Their "import direct" crap is laughable and has terrible attention to detail.

My master cylinder came from AutoZone, brand new german Brax brand in a Duralast box for less than $30 with a lifetime warranty :shock:

My rear wheel cylinders from them also worked out perfectly.

Napa is usually good, the Eichlin/SMP series of ignition points are extremely well made and fit perfectly. They even still make the dogleg style 36 horse points for around $8.

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:32 am

Use lots of silicone spray and put these on your existing wires for the four cylinders on the top of the cap and save some cash

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pac-90-degree-socket-dis...mp;vxp=mtr

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:14 pm

I don't know if your cap fits the same as an 009 cap, but I have this:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1963897

Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:00 pm

bugguy1967 wrote: I don't know if your cap fits the same as an 009 cap, but I have this:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1963897

Those are cool for sure! Those would work well with the late style distributors that use the 009 style caps, such as the 034, 009, or some of the vacuum only distributors. Too bad they won't work on the last irons.

Anybody have an side the Bosch part number or original application for those?

Tue May 02, 2017 6:48 pm

i am using these cables, quality is good but colour selection, cost are not. also not easily purchased as they are only sold in japan. i am running a Winterburn CDI.

Wed May 03, 2017 11:02 am

Erik G wrote: Absolutely 100% disagree about the duralast. Go look yourself, open the box and see what's inside. Mine are Bosch in a duralast box

For my 2.0 TSI I needed a diverter valve. Duralast box, genuine pierburg VW label and a damn fair price and didn't have to wait for shipping

Vatozone can be shit sometimes but you have to actually look and not just make generalizations

In my early 20's, I was a store manager for Auto Zone for a short while. I've seen plenty of Duralast garbage. No generalizations here. They USED to sell 3 "brands" of wiresets. I used to buy the 09001 Bosch sets in their original box there. Now, I'm sure they just took whatever and jammed it in their brand box. Once the Bosch ones run out, you'll get whatever you get. I don't have the patience to keep opening up Duralast boxes hoping for gold. :D