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Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:05 am

I am finally going to replace the heads on my daughter's 2332 very soon and I was looking at getting the CB's Panchito heads. When I listed my SE heads for sale on a forum, another guy was wanting to trade me his Revmaster 049 CNC'd heads. I am not familiar with these and was just wanting someone else's opinion.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:22 am

I defy you to find a set of off the shelf 40x35.5 heads that work as well as the Pancheatos

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:26 am

mcmscott wrote: I defy you to find a set of off the shelf 40x35.5 heads that work as well as the Pancheatos

I would probably agree with that, but the Revmasters are bigger valves than the Panchitos (closer to what I have now) so I am not sure how much affect that will have. Also he is looking for a straight trade.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:27 am

Then you answered your own question.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:30 am

My question is, since I am not that familiar with these heads, are they good quality castings, are there any issues that I should look for in them, etc. or should I just pass on this trade, sell mine and buy the Panchitos?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:33 am

If the revmasters are ported and larger valves, the remasters are likely a better candidate. If they are non ported, I'd keep the ported panchitos. Cam choice plays a big decision maker also.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:36 am

If the option is there, I would sell and by from CB. Not that the Revmasters are good, bad or otherwise, but buying from a vendor such as CB you have options on the heads, customer support in case there is an issue and warranty. When you trade to a private party you get what you get.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:43 am

jfats808 wrote: If the revmasters are ported and larger valves, the remasters are likely a better candidate. If they are non ported, I'd keep the ported panchitos. Cam choice plays a big decision maker also.

Cam is CB 2288

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:58 am

Check this out it is a cylinder head reference sheet.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=573099

Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:56 am

pondervwmike wrote: Check this out it is a cylinder head reference sheet.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=573099

That list hasn't been updated in a little bit to include all available heads.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:00 am

To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:15 am

Dan Ruddock wrote: To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

Thanks for the insight. This is kind of the information I was looking for. Improved cooling is always on my mind (since I won't be the one driving it so much and keeping an eye on it) but not looking to lose too much power. I will check out the Tims heads. Thanks

Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:47 am

Just my opinion from your other thread, I don't know you or your daughter, so take it as you'd like:

You have a pretty powerful VW Engine, in a light car, with pretty much zero safety systems. IF I was going to give this car to my daugher, assuming a first time driver, there's no way in hell I would move forward.

Drop a stock 1600 in there and move on. Pull the big motor for your future use.

It's just a concern...I'm sure you've thought through it.

Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:54 am

txoval wrote: Just my opinion from your other thread, I don't know you or your daughter, so take it as you'd like:

You have a pretty powerful VW Engine, in a light car, with pretty much zero safety systems. IF I was going to give this car to my daugher, assuming a first time driver, there's no way in hell I would move forward.

Drop a stock 1600 in there and move on. Pull the big motor for your future use.

It's just a concern...I'm sure you've thought through it.

For most scenarios and young drivers I would agree wholeheartedly! She is a rare case, as she has driven and proven herself behind the wheel of some vehicles with serious power (Dad's previous rides. Believe it or not...the girl can DRIVE :lol: My lifetime of racing history is rubbing off I guess), along with the fact that she is also involved in the building and repairing of this car (she has some skin in the came and therefore respects costs and efforts), and to top it off, it is getting a roll bar and safety harnesses as well. Thank you though for the concern and as I said, in most cases, I would agree with you

Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:58 am

c77owen wrote: Dan Ruddock wrote: To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

Thanks for the insight. This is kind of the information I was looking for. Improved cooling is always on my mind (since I won't be the one driving it so much and keeping an eye on it) but not looking to lose too much power. I will check out the Tims heads. Thanks

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1069091

Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:02 am

Dan Ruddock wrote: To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

The Pancheato head is not a traditional 044 head, it actually cools quite well

Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:04 am

mcmscott wrote: Dan Ruddock wrote: To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

The Pancheato head is not a traditional 044 head, it actually cools quite well

I agree, read what I said again. The panchito has very good flow threw and the 044 does not. Dan

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:16 pm

Dan Ruddock wrote: mcmscott wrote: Dan Ruddock wrote: To me your engine with enough carb could use something bigger than panchitos. I like heads with the best cooling possible for their ability to handle more situations. The revmasters like CB 044 heads have poor flow threw cooling but are still better for street than the SE heads. The Tims stage II heads have like the panchitos have very good flow threw cooling but have bigger valves and ports to match your big engine better.

A cool running VW is a long running VW.

Dan

The Pancheato head is not a traditional 044 head, it actually cools quite

well

.

I agree, read what I said again. The panchito has very good flow threw and the 044 does not. Dan

"Like 044 heads" Got it, my bad, carry on......

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:33 pm

c77owen wrote: txoval wrote: Just my opinion from your other thread, I don't know you or your daughter, so take it as you'd like:

You have a pretty powerful VW Engine, in a light car, with pretty much zero safety systems. IF I was going to give this car to my daugher, assuming a first time driver, there's no way in hell I would move forward.

Drop a stock 1600 in there and move on. Pull the big motor for your future use.

It's just a concern...I'm sure you've thought through it.

For most scenarios and young drivers I would agree wholeheartedly! She is a rare case, as she has driven and proven herself behind the wheel of some vehicles with serious power (Dad's previous rides. Believe it or not...the girl can DRIVE :lol: My lifetime of racing history is rubbing off I guess), along with the fact that she is also involved in the building and repairing of this car (she has some skin in the came and therefore respects costs and efforts), and to top it off, it is getting a roll bar and safety harnesses as well. Thank you though for the concern and as I said, in most cases, I would agree with you

Very cool, you sound like a awesome dad. For roll bar padding, get BSCI Dual layer padding. Its the only roll bar padding designed for the street when people are not wearing helmets. The cheezy standard padding is a joke, on the street whoever is in the car will crack their head open on the standard useless padding.

https://www.rollbarpadding.com/product/id-38

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:36 pm

jpaull wrote: c77owen wrote: txoval wrote: Just my opinion from your other thread, I don't know you or your daughter, so take it as you'd like:

You have a pretty powerful VW Engine, in a light car, with pretty much zero safety systems. IF I was going to give this car to my daugher, assuming a first time driver, there's no way in hell I would move forward.

Drop a stock 1600 in there and move on. Pull the big motor for your future use.

It's just a concern...I'm sure you've thought through it.

For most scenarios and young drivers I would agree wholeheartedly! She is a rare case, as she has driven and proven herself behind the wheel of some vehicles with serious power (Dad's previous rides. Believe it or not...the girl can DRIVE :lol: My lifetime of racing history is rubbing off I guess), along with the fact that she is also involved in the building and repairing of this car (she has some skin in the came and therefore respects costs and efforts), and to top it off, it is getting a roll bar and safety harnesses as well. Thank you though for the concern and as I said, in most cases, I would agree with you

Very cool, you sound like a awesome dad. For roll bar padding, get BSCI Dual layer padding. Its the only roll bar padding designed for the street when people are not wearing helmets. The cheezy standard padding is a joke, on the street whoever is in the car will crack their head open on the standard useless padding.

https://www.rollbarpadding.com/product/id-38

I had seen some high density foam on some higher end custom car builds that looked a lot better than the "pipe insulation" crap you see in most race cars, I just wasn't sure where to find it and hadn't looked yet (winter project), so thanks for the info!