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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:37 pm

Bought this thing on Amazon almost a year ago so of course can't return it, my mistake. I used a Motorcraft FL1A filter and started my 1679 today to run in the cam. Starts leaking between the filter gasket and the mounting surface, tighten the filter a little more, still leaking. Continued with the run in for about 25 min and had about a 12" diameter puddle when done. Drained the oil and am going to try a different brand filter to see if the same thing happens. The filter sure seems to have a lot of slop threading it on, I measured the OD of the nipple threads and they are like. .742. I'll see if I can get a new nipple. Tired of this s%&#.

Run in went ok though besides a small leak that I am praying is from the sump plate....

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:44 pm

I bet the mounting surface is not flat. I'd replace it with a quality part.

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:48 pm

Take a Sharpie and mark the mounting surface then get a piece of flat glass and some wet/dry sandpaper and sand until it is flat. Clean and install.

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:54 pm

Will try that. As far as quality, it says "Made in USA" on it, I guess that doesn't mean much anymore.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:15 am

Took it off, removed the nipple, surfaced it on a surface plate with some 400 and WD, put it back on with a new filter, still leaks. It appears the hole for the 3/4-16 nipple was not drilled perpendicular to the filter mounting surface and as a result the gasket is not compressed evenly. Junk. Can't return it but I left a nasty review. Anyone got a recommendation? On a positive note my engine is oil tight, the leak was from an oil press. gauge where I threaded it into the port below the dizzy and the oil ran down to the sump.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:18 am

I've seen a bunch like that. Now when I buy a filter bracket I always screw a filter on lightly to see if the gasket touches all the way around, if it doesn't I don't buy it.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:31 am

Pretty sad when a part as simple as this is can't be manufactured correctly. I guess if I want to I can put it on the lathe with a mandrel threaded into the nipple hole and true up the gasket surface.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:37 pm

I looked up Derale 25709 remote filter mount on Google.

Perma-Cool is similar product. I put a Perma-Cool remote filter kit on my truck, didn't have an issue like that. I used Fram filters.

Summit Racing has Perma-Cool, and Perma-Cool might even sell direct or on Ebay.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:26 pm

Damn that stinks-I was hoping to save you some cash. Maybe run down to the local parts house looking for an external oil filter mount - I think the thread size you are looking for is 3/8 x 16. It is always better to be able to see the merchandise in person before buying.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:45 pm

Yeah, that's the one in the pic. It's a nice unit overall, except it leaks. I'm going to try a different filter brand, just to see, probably won't make a difference. The thread is 3/4-16. I'm going to make a mandrel, chuck it up in the lathe and check the run out on the sealing surface.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:14 pm

My bad, yes 3/4x16. At least your did not let go while driving under pressure. That is what mine did twice. I was able to resurface it and get it to work. I guess all parts need to be looked over very closely.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:20 pm

rodeking wrote: Anyone got a recommendation?

https://www.cantonracingproducts.com/categories/oil-system-adapters.html

Not cheap, but then it won't have to be replaced because it fits first time.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:25 pm

I went to Derale's website and sent them a polite email expressing my dissatisfaction with their product. Let's see what happens.

edit - I know Canton makes great stuff but holy crap $184 for a small hunk of 6061 aluminum?? This isn't a million dollar NASCAR.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:25 pm

rodeking wrote: I went to Derale's website and sent them a polite email expressing my dissatisfaction with their product. Let's see what happens.

edit - I know Canton makes great stuff but holy crap $184 for a small hunk of 6061 aluminum?? This isn't a million dollar NASCAR.

I did the same thing with one I got through Summit that was not tapped square, and Derale sent me a new one. Summit was being a bitch about paying for the return, but Derale just sent me the new one after I emailed them a picture of the nipple sitting crooked. Was a few years ago. Good luck

I like that mount, as it gives you easy places to mount your gauge senders

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:48 am

What a cluster. Derale told me:

"Thank you for contacting Derale Performance Products.

Steve, cross referencing the information provided, it looks as the filter landing on Derale PN# 25709, and your oil filter are not compatible.

The recommended filter landing is 2- ½” to 2-3/4”, oil filter FL1A has an oil gasket of 2.4 too large for this application, and is not sealing properly.

We recommend you use a Fram PH8A."

??

So I go look at a PH8A, gasket is almost identical to a FL1A , but I will try it.

They told me Amazon has to honor their 1 yr warranty so I called Amazon and they will return it for about a $6 re-stocking fee and sent me a free return label if this PH8A doesn't work. Can't complain about that.

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:59 pm

Re-stocking fee, for an oily part that doesn't work correctly. Sheesh

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:38 am

Yeah, they'll probably put it on the shelf and sell it to another sucker.

This still leaks like a sieve with a PH8A so back to Bezos.

Also going back today is one of those el cheapo inductive rpm and run time things that you wrap around the plug wire to read rpms. Totally useless POS rpm are like +- 800! But I thought I might luck out and it might be of some value. Well it does keep track of run - time.

I bought a Blue Driver auto multimeter I just got yesterday. from amazon. It got great reviews but mine will not read rpm! Was on chat with the Blue Driver tech service for 1.5 hrs trying to get it to work. Finally got it to read something with it on the x10 scale, at idle it read about 3600 so they said I have to divide by 4 so that is 900 but as soon as I rev it it goes to 0L which means over limit they said. Well how the hell do I set the timing at 3600?? They said it must be some kind of interference, it read dwell ok , same connections but would not read rpm. they didn't have an answer other than they wanted to send me an induction pickup to try WTF?

I sure wish I would have held on to my old Heathkit tach-dwell meter I put together when I was about 16. So simple, put it on tach or dwell and read the meter scale for the # of cyls.

Off to the UPS store...

Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Update. The replacement Derale 25709 works fine, no leaks, no errors. It's actually a nice piece, quality casting and the extra ports are nice for oil T and P.

And here's my solution to the Chinese digital crapola dwell tachs that are out there. Got it off craiglist along with a Dixco dwell tach, an RCA signal generator, a Heathkit volt, ohm, ammeter, two timing lights, two compression testers and get this a workshop manual for a 1989 AMC Medallion, aka Renault. All for 30 bucks. All I wanted was the Sears analyzer so I'll put the rest of the stuff on flea bay, maybe I'll hang on to the Heathkit, it's a nice piece of old tech. Some electronics guru might want the signal generator

For all you Medallion fans, bids start at a buck for the shop manual.

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:24 pm

rodeking wrote: And here's my solution to the Chinese digital crapola dwell tachs that are out there.
Here's mine ;)

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:35 pm

Nice!

SUN was the go to back in the day!

Still brings a premium. Gawd I miss those times. Didn't have a pot to piss in but man did I have fun with cars and bikes. Lucky to still be here actually.