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ots03 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY |
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I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ? |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79848 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Because they are foolish.
Because they think a new $50 Chinese distributor is cheaper than rebuilding their original distributor. _________________ Glenn
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SkrapMetal Samba Hornblaster

Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 2558 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'll get a bunch of different opinions on this, but here are the reasons I think people do it...
Laziness. Someone may not want to fiddle around with getting new parts for it, buying a timing light, dwell meter, or sending it off to have it professionally rebuilt when they can just buy a "one size fits all" distributor.
Lack of knowledge. Have you ever read those ads of all the super things an oo9 can do? They make it sound like you need it, and that you're missing out on a performance gain if you don't have one. They go on to say how their electronic points eliminate the hassle of ever adjusting points again. Empi finds a sucker everyday.
"Mechanic said it would be fine" I hear that one alot. Brainless mechanics who don't know one distributor from another and talk the owner into putting one on, then you see their old one in the classifieds, which probably just needs a set of points and a good cleaning. _________________ oo9less since 2007
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 71656 Location: Phoenix 602
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY |
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ots03 wrote: |
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ? |
I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money. _________________ How to Post Photos
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dubkrzy Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 485 Location: One step behind
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY |
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EverettB wrote: |
ots03 wrote: |
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ? |
I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money. |
Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price  _________________
vwracerdave wrote: |
always modify the cheapest part and never modify the most expensive part. |
Glenn wrote: |
Sure... you can take a grinder to them. You can also use an adjustable wrench to assemble it. |
Jake Raby wrote: |
That looks like Tom Jones |
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keifernet Samba Search & Rescue
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 19395 Location: Samba Center for Behavioral Science
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY |
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dubkrzy wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
ots03 wrote: |
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ? |
I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money. |
Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price  |
Yeah there are as many old clapped out distributor's laying around as there were VW's made (that are no longer on the road... )they are out there...now finding a decent core to rebuild and vac can that works or a proper one to use is the challenge!  |
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craigman Samba Member

Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 2425 Location: redding
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference. |
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 71656 Location: Phoenix 602
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY |
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keifernet wrote: |
dubkrzy wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
ots03 wrote: |
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ? |
I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money. |
Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price  |
Yeah there are as many old clapped out distributor's laying around as there were VW's made (that are no longer on the road... )they are out there...now finding a decent core to rebuild and vac can that works or a proper one to use is the challenge!  |
This may just be good luck but I've never had a vacuum can that didn't work.
Whether it worked properly I don't know... but they all held suction and advanced. _________________ How to Post Photos
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krusher Samba Member

Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7661 Location: europe
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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craigman wrote: |
when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference. |
There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot. _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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vwracerdave Samba Member

Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15601 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:17 am Post subject: |
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krusher wrote: |
There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot. |
Not all 009's are junk like you force everybody to believe. 009's do actually work. I have been using them for 30 years and have never had any flat spot trouble. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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Dale M. Samba Member

Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20845 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....
And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79848 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Dale M. wrote: |
I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....
And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....
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Then try a 010 and let me know. _________________ Glenn
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craigman Samba Member

Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 2425 Location: redding
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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krusher wrote: |
craigman wrote: |
when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference. |
There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot. |
Nope, no flat spot.
Just because you put a 009 in doesn't mean your going to have a "flat spot". |
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Dale M. Samba Member

Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20845 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Dale M. wrote: |
I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....
And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....
Dale |
Then try a 010 and let me know. |
Got two (or one) you are willing to loan me... I have not seen any 010's on local market or had anyone offer me one to try....
BUT ...I do have a SCAT 45-020 and a MALLORY 2354109.....
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns"
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krusher Samba Member

Joined: September 24, 2002 Posts: 7661 Location: europe
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:46 am Post subject: |
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craigman wrote: |
krusher wrote: |
craigman wrote: |
when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference. |
There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot. |
Nope, no flat spot.
Just because you put a 009 in doesn't mean your going to have a "flat spot". |
Well you could answered you own question about the difference between old and new distributor by seeing what advance your old distributor has and then comparing it to the 009, degree wheel and timming light is all you need to do that. _________________ (06:31:07) RoachGhia: "i drink dick way too fast" |
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neil68 Samba Member

Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3448 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: 009 |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
krusher wrote: |
There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot. |
Not all 009's are junk like you force everybody to believe. 009's do actually work. I have been using them for 30 years and have never had any flat spot trouble. |
I agree. While I can't comment on the new Chinese 009 copies, the Bosch German and Brazilian 009's I've used over the last 25 years were excellent products. They worked well with dual carb setups and always gave improved fuel economy as well  _________________ Neil.
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23947 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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for some one that cant set up a vac dist properly that is the way to go.but in most cases it will bennifit from being taylord to the engine also.I dont use vac because it dosent do what I want it to do when I want it to +all those unsightly lines,kinda like crows feet on your old lady,wish they wernt there.no need for them.but for the die hard orignal got to have,well they dont know what there missing. oops I for got they usuly dont have any power either so it probly wont help as much as it would on a 2332 or 2 carbed moters.(4bbl) I hope I havent offended any one.orignal has it's place.I have a restored 27 ford roadster in my garage.(race car with all kinds of crap restored on top of it.) |
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DarthWeber Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7543 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Just full of Love and Christian Fellowship isn't he.  |
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MinamiKotaro Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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We always used 009s. No flat spots or any other trouble out of them. Dad had a GM HEI distributor on his 2110 for a while. He put a 009 on it just to see what would happen and the engine had more power.
I put a Pertronix in my 009 and it worked like a dream for years, until I went MegaSquirt and EDIS. Dad's running the Pertronix 009 now on his 2386.
We've got a couple of 010s and an 050 laying around, but all our cars are going distributorless before long.  _________________ 1967 VW Beetle
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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I was just going to ask why people bother with distributors at all, then I saw your post and remembered Glenn also lives here.  _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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