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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY Reply with quote

I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because they are foolish.

Because they think a new $50 Chinese distributor is cheaper than rebuilding their original distributor.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll get a bunch of different opinions on this, but here are the reasons I think people do it...

Laziness. Someone may not want to fiddle around with getting new parts for it, buying a timing light, dwell meter, or sending it off to have it professionally rebuilt when they can just buy a "one size fits all" distributor.

Lack of knowledge. Have you ever read those ads of all the super things an oo9 can do? They make it sound like you need it, and that you're missing out on a performance gain if you don't have one. They go on to say how their electronic points eliminate the hassle of ever adjusting points again. Empi finds a sucker everyday.

"Mechanic said it would be fine" I hear that one alot. Brainless mechanics who don't know one distributor from another and talk the owner into putting one on, then you see their old one in the classifieds, which probably just needs a set of points and a good cleaning.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY Reply with quote

ots03 wrote:
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ?


I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY Reply with quote

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ots03 wrote:
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ?


I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money.



Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY Reply with quote

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ots03 wrote:
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
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Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ?


I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money.



Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price Rolling Eyes


Yeah there are as many old clapped out distributor's laying around as there were VW's made (that are no longer on the road... )they are out there...now finding a decent core to rebuild and vac can that works or a proper one to use is the challenge! Very Happy Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 009 over a vacuum dizzy WHY Reply with quote

keifernet wrote:
dubkrzy wrote:
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ots03 wrote:
I was just looking at the clasifieds and I see tons of originals vacuum advance distributors at very reasonable prices.....
So
Why people sells them and buy chinese 009 ?


I don't think they are selling them to buy 009s. They are just selling ones they found to make money.



Exactly! And the advertised price is not the selling price Rolling Eyes


Yeah there are as many old clapped out distributor's laying around as there were VW's made (that are no longer on the road... )they are out there...now finding a decent core to rebuild and vac can that works or a proper one to use is the challenge! Very Happy Wink

This may just be good luck but I've never had a vacuum can that didn't work.

Whether it worked properly I don't know... but they all held suction and advanced.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference.


There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot.


Not all 009's are junk like you force everybody to believe. 009's do actually work. I have been using them for 30 years and have never had any flat spot trouble.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....

And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....

And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....

Dale

Then try a 010 and let me know.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference.


There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot.



Nope, no flat spot.
Just because you put a 009 in doesn't mean your going to have a "flat spot".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Dale M. wrote:
I love my 009's..... Of course I have older Weber carbs with NO VACUUM ports... It's sort of a no brainer to have full centrifugal dist.... Try to stay away from Chinese "stuff' though....

And no, I don't what to try and mod carbs and possibly ruin them....

Dale

Then try a 010 and let me know.


Got two (or one) you are willing to loan me... I have not seen any 010's on local market or had anyone offer me one to try....

BUT ...I do have a SCAT 45-020 and a MALLORY 2354109.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigman wrote:
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when i put in a 009 i noticed an instant increase in hp.
maybe my stock dizzy was shot, i don't know. But the 009 made a big difference.


There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot.



Nope, no flat spot.
Just because you put a 009 in doesn't mean your going to have a "flat spot".


Well you could answered you own question about the difference between old and new distributor by seeing what advance your old distributor has and then comparing it to the 009, degree wheel and timming light is all you need to do that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: 009 Reply with quote

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There is always the 009 surge after it come off the flat spot, people think they have more power, but there really not recognizing a huge flat spot.


Not all 009's are junk like you force everybody to believe. 009's do actually work. I have been using them for 30 years and have never had any flat spot trouble.


I agree. While I can't comment on the new Chinese 009 copies, the Bosch German and Brazilian 009's I've used over the last 25 years were excellent products. They worked well with dual carb setups and always gave improved fuel economy as well Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for some one that cant set up a vac dist properly that is the way to go.but in most cases it will bennifit from being taylord to the engine also.I dont use vac because it dosent do what I want it to do when I want it to +all those unsightly lines,kinda like crows feet on your old lady,wish they wernt there.no need for them.but for the die hard orignal got to have,well they dont know what there missing. oops I for got they usuly dont have any power either so it probly wont help as much as it would on a 2332 or 2 carbed moters.(4bbl) I hope I havent offended any one.orignal has it's place.I have a restored 27 ford roadster in my garage.(race car with all kinds of crap restored on top of it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We always used 009s. No flat spots or any other trouble out of them. Dad had a GM HEI distributor on his 2110 for a while. He put a 009 on it just to see what would happen and the engine had more power.

I put a Pertronix in my 009 and it worked like a dream for years, until I went MegaSquirt and EDIS. Dad's running the Pertronix 009 now on his 2386.

We've got a couple of 010s and an 050 laying around, but all our cars are going distributorless before long. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just going to ask why people bother with distributors at all, then I saw your post and remembered Glenn also lives here. Laughing
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