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Brad Lee
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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: 25 HP engine? |
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Greetings!
This is a pic of the engine in my '51. The ID numbers are really faint and hard to read.
Is this a 25HP? If so, does it look somewhat correct?
Thanks for your help!
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Here you go:
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Look like a correct 25hp. 
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Brad Lee
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Thanks for the posting the pic and the reply
I think the ID says 1-6282275. That doesn't match with the charts on the site. Am I missing something?
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| 13SPanel wrote: |
Thanks for the posting the pic and the reply
I think the ID says 1-6282275. That doesn't match with the charts on the site. Am I missing something?
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It must be a "0" like 1-0282275. That would be more correct for your 51 engine.
What month was your vin # from according to the production charts?
It looks like you might have the correct engine for your car and maybe even the matching one.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| 53 0val wrote: |
| jmillers55 wrote: |
| Here you go: |
Look like a correct 25hp. |
Wow, you don't see Bob saying this everyday! 
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| Hold down clip is on 25 hp , I want to say that 36 hp is when VW went to a screw cap. I am just going off what I have seen. |
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Does the 25hp acorn oil filler use the hold-down clip?
I thought that began with the 36hp style oil filler. |
Yes, only the single strap one. The 36hp ones used either two snap clips or a screw top style
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Yes, that motor is correct as it is.
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| Yes, that motor is correct as it is. |
Is the clip exactly the same for all years that it was used? |
That's a good question. I'll check out some sorces.
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It looks pretty correct, with most of the hard to find parts? But correct me if I am wrong. Shouldn't it have the round carb support and not the flat later style, and a Jacketed K manifold since it is a '51? (I don't even have the later on my car, or the no lip pulley ). About the crank pully? So are all split dash splits suppose to have the ones without the puller cutouts and no lip on them, and are the diameters different from the later in these as well? Also which you can't tell from these pictures, it should have the two piece cylinder head tin without the spark plug indention and seamed fan shrould, being a '51?
Just tryin to stay updated on my external engine year changes. Let me know if I am wrong.
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Heb623
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ET says that on an early 1951 25hp was no hold on clip!!!
My technical English is not good enough to explain but believe it or not there is no clip!!!
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It looks pretty correct, with most of the hard to find parts? But correct me if I am wrong. Shouldn't it have the round carb support and not the flat later style, and a Jacketed K manifold since it is a '51? (I don't even have the later on my car, or the no lip pulley ). About the crank pully? So are all split dash splits suppose to have the ones without the puller cutouts and no lip on them, and are the diameters different from the later in these as well? Also which you can't tell from these pictures, it should have the two piece cylinder head tin without the spark plug indention and seamed fan shrould, being a '51?
Just tryin to stay updated on my external engine year changes. Let me know if I am wrong.
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Carb support, yes, should be round. Good call.
Intake: Indeterminate. The end date of the jacketed K is unknown. Indications by original cars that still had them, and/or pictures are that it ended in late '51 or early '52. The pictured intake could be corret if it is the 25 "701" intake (not the 701E which has 36 hp endcastings). Interestingly, I just bought one of those and was examining it last night. If it is an early '51 engine, than it most probably had the jacketed K.
I can't tell from the pic, but it looks like it has a rolled lip 36hp crank pulley. It should have an edge lipped crank pulley, but it would have the puller holes (Sept '50 service manual shows this). Non pull hole pulleys ended sometime in the mid-late 40s. There is no difference in the diameters (some 356 pulleys look the same, fit the crank, but are slightly larger in dia.)
Not sure when the 2 piece cylinder head tin ended, but I am pretty sure it was before '51.
Yes, it should have the seamed fan shroud....
Also, can't tell by the pic, the ignition wire tube clamps should have welded M6 bores on the back sides and M6 (probably Kamax) bolts, not scres like the leter kind.
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And no comment about the hold on clip ???
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ET says that on an early 1951 25hp was no hold on clip!!!
My technical English is not good enough to explain but believe it or not there is no clip!!!
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Then how did the breather stay on? I think '51 did have the breather cap hold clip... I wil have to check some references on that.
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My 1951 shows me that "pipe" (sorry dont know the exact word for it) that goes into the engine is cone shaped!
The top of my 1951 oil filling tube is completely flat!
A 1952 pipe isn't cone shaped so the top of later (1952) has a dimple in it.
In the hold on clip is also a opposite dimple and this secures holds the tube!
Tell me if I am wrong, OK?
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It looks pretty correct, with most of the hard to find parts? But correct me if I am wrong. Shouldn't it have the round carb support and not the flat later style, and a Jacketed K manifold since it is a '51? (I don't even have the later on my car, or the no lip pulley ). About the crank pully? So are all split dash splits suppose to have the ones without the puller cutouts and no lip on them, and are the diameters different from the later in these as well? Also which you can't tell from these pictures, it should have the two piece cylinder head tin without the spark plug indention and seamed fan shrould, being a '51?
Just tryin to stay updated on my external engine year changes. Let me know if I am wrong.
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Good eyes on the carb support......It should be round.
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OK, OK but how about the hold on clip now???
No news yet? 
ET
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