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Luftgekült Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canary Islands, Spain
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: Jetting advise based in AFR readings |
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Hi,
I'd noticed a lack of power in my engine below 2500rpm. Thinking in rejeting, I installed a LC-1 wideband. As I suposed the engine is working very rich.
I went from 50's to a set of used 47's idles i had, but it made no change, I would even say that it is going richer.
Here are my engine specs,
1914cc - 40x35 valves - w120 cam - ac net SVDA - 8:1 comp
and carbs'
dual 40IDF - 120 mains - 50 idles - 200 airs - 28 venturis
my AFR readings are roughly
Idle --> 13,5
1000 - 2000 rpm --> 9,8 - 10,5
2500 rpm --> 12,5
3000 rpm --> 12
3500 rpm --> 12
4000 rpm --> 12,5
>4500 rpm --> 12,8 - 13
what jets should I try next??
thanks!! _________________ '71 VW 1302 1300cc in progress....
'72 VW 1302S 2109cc
'84 Passat Variant GL 1.6TD
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Eaallred Samba Member

Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 5756 Location: West Valley City, Utah
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Are these reading ast WOT?
If so, I would start by changing the mains one size smaller. Airs look like they're coming in just fine. _________________ Eric Allred
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Luftgekült Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canary Islands, Spain
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Eaallred wrote: |
Are these reading ast WOT?
If so, I would start by changing the mains one size smaller. Airs look like they're coming in just fine. |
Yes, it was at WOT. I'll try then the 115 mains.
What about idles?, they seem to be too big. I am getting AFR readings of around 10 until 2500rpm _________________ '71 VW 1302 1300cc in progress....
'72 VW 1302S 2109cc
'84 Passat Variant GL 1.6TD |
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grimace007 Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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just curious but your checking these under a load right? _________________ Brian
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Luftgekült Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canary Islands, Spain
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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grimace007 wrote: |
just curious but your checking these under a load right? |
Yes, I made the measurements on a steep slope in 3rd gear at full throtle _________________ '71 VW 1302 1300cc in progress....
'72 VW 1302S 2109cc
'84 Passat Variant GL 1.6TD |
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[email protected] Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Jetting advise based in AFR readings |
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Luftgekült Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canary Islands, Spain
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies,
well, I made new tests.
Fuel pressure is 3 psi. Stock fuel pump with pressure regulator.
Floats set.
Tests made in 3rd gear, full throttle, steep slope.
I changed to:
115 mains
45 idles
185 airs
My AFR readings are a bit better.
Idle --> AFR 13,5 Screws 1,5 turs out
1000-1800 rpm --> 12
2000 rpm --> 10.5
2500 - 3000 rpm --> 13.5
3500 rpm --> 12.5
5000 rpm --> 15
It starts to lean from 3500 till the end, reaching +15:1 at 5000rpm. I have to try smaller airs but not sure of how many sizes do I have to down.
I have another issue with a rich condition at 2000rpm. Looks like a rich progression from idles to mains. I can't go leaner on idles because 45 is the smaller size, I believe.
It has F11 emulsion tubes. I have a set of F7s, would it make any difference?
My other questión is about accelator pump. If I stomp on the gas the engine reponds well (instant rich condition, AFR arround 11:1) but I does not respond well to slight changes (16 to 20 AFR) How can I fix that? _________________ '71 VW 1302 1300cc in progress....
'72 VW 1302S 2109cc
'84 Passat Variant GL 1.6TD |
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Luftgekült Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canary Islands, Spain
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Please help
After I figure out the jetting I going to take the car to the dyno, then change to 44IDF and post the results.
One thing I forgot is that I am using an Empi GT exhaust which I believe is seriously reducing engine's performance. Waiting for a CSP supersport to arrive... _________________ '71 VW 1302 1300cc in progress....
'72 VW 1302S 2109cc
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74driver Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Follow Johns advice from aircooled.n*t. He has probably forgotten more about vw jetting than you or I will ever learn. |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: |
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You should measure the diameter of your idle jets. There's no way a 45 should produce an A/F ratio of 10.5:1 _________________
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Scott Novak Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2004 Posts: 1586 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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What are the float settings?
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the 28 mm venturis seem a little small for a 1912cc engine?
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