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spoon Samba Penetrator
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Have you ever cut these out? (Bumpstop "perch"?) |
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Check the pic below. In the yellow oval you will see the "perch", for lack of better terms, for the bumpstops. I was talking to someone a while back (62type3square, I forgot!) about cutting these off. I know what they are for and why they are there. What's your opinion about cutting these out?
If I cut these out, my hopes are that my Squareback will sit just a tad bit lower. As of right now, my bumpstops (without the rubber) rest directly on the lower trailing arms. This makes for a pretty shitty ride, which is why I want to cut them off.
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen those cut off before. You will just bottom on the shock. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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wakywaco Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2003 Posts: 480 Location: currently in waco
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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If you lower the car enough to hit those, then cut them out. the car will ride a lot smoother with them out anyways. Make sure to buy shorter shocks whenever possible. |
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TheDDB Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2003 Posts: 752 Location: Type 3 Central - Portland OR -
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ditto-
you will gain suspension and smooth out the ride.
Cut away. _________________ Martin Magnia
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Its a type 3 thing, so you might not understand
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60DoubleTurd Type 3 Contributor
Joined: May 24, 2003 Posts: 1925 Location: Ca
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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All the time. If you are good enough with a grinder you can grind all the material flush, fill in the gap and paint and you cant tell they were ever there. _________________ Frank
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squareonair Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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thats the first thing that gets cut off _________________
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67stang302 SBS Hit Squad
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I cut mine and the ride is better and also sat the car lower. But make sure you get the proper size shocks. _________________
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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So are you saying that w/o the perch, my Square will ride smoother/lower?
When I originally lowered, I left all that intact. The arm actually rested on the rubber stop. Over time, the rubber stop cracked/broke/fell away, and now, bumps can be bone jarring. Cutting away the perch will make it smoother? I have stock size shocks. _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34198 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I'll bet crapped on for saying this, but man, I never understood the idea of lowering it so far you have these problems. Cars are made to be driven, not just looked at, and the stock ride, or maybe a little lower, makes a good handling car. To each his/her own, of course, but I just can't work up sympathy for problems like this, or busted torsion bars, or rubbing undercarriages. I guess some of it comes from having to sit behind someone who is afraid to go over a speed bump or turn into a driveway, holding everyone up because they think it looks cool.
Okay, here it comes... |
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider
Joined: July 17, 2004 Posts: 11498 Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Okay, I'll bet crapped on for saying this, but man, I never understood the idea of lowering it so far you have these problems. Cars are made to be driven, not just looked at, and the stock ride, or maybe a little lower, makes a good handling car. To each his/her own, of course, but I just can't work up sympathy for problems like this, or busted torsion bars, or rubbing undercarriages. I guess some of it comes from having to sit behind someone who is afraid to go over a speed bump or turn into a driveway, holding everyone up because they think it looks cool.
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and I will agree with you... but there will be a vocal minority in here shortly.... _________________ póg mo thóin
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spoon Samba Penetrator
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1458 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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*poop*
Haha, I don't think anyone will hate you for having your own opinion Phil. To be honest, I just think it looks bad ass!
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67stang302 SBS Hit Squad
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Air-Cooled Head wrote: |
So are you saying that w/o the perch, my Square will ride smoother/lower?
When I originally lowered, I left all that intact. The arm actually rested on the rubber stop. Over time, the rubber stop cracked/broke/fell away, and now, bumps can be bone jarring. Cutting away the perch will make it smoother? I have stock size shocks. |
The bumpstops are half your problem. you also need to get proper size shocks. I cut my bump stops off as well as the shocks then set the car on the ground and with some difficulty measured the distance from each of the shocks mounting points took that number to my parts house and they got me the right shock. Now my car rides great _________________
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67stang302 SBS Hit Squad
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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blankmange wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
Okay, I'll bet crapped on for saying this, but man, I never understood the idea of lowering it so far you have these problems. Cars are made to be driven, not just looked at, and the stock ride, or maybe a little lower, makes a good handling car. To each his/her own, of course, but I just can't work up sympathy for problems like this, or busted torsion bars, or rubbing undercarriages. I guess some of it comes from having to sit behind someone who is afraid to go over a speed bump or turn into a driveway, holding everyone up because they think it looks cool.
Okay, here it comes... |
and I will agree with you... but there will be a vocal minority in here shortly.... |
I'm not too vocal but to each their own. I scrap the ground from time to time and if I was to break something I'm not going to cry about it I did it to the car and I will have to fix it if it breaks.
Now I don't like the cars that are half assed put togther and pretty much a road hazzard. AKA HOODRIDE _________________
EverettB wrote: |
Hondaz rulez my lifez |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34198 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Uh-oh, I think I turned this thread into a "what VWs do I hate" thread...
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spoon Samba Penetrator
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Does the upper trailing arm come out? I am asking because it getting in the way of me cutting that "perch" off. Thanks...
EDIT: Nevermind. Looking through my Bentley, it seems like more pain than it is worth. _________________ Pit Bull Myths, Busted!
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Foxx Uncle Meat
Joined: August 27, 2001 Posts: 4897 Location: at the computer,.......DUH!
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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spoon wrote: |
Does the upper trailing arm come out? I am asking because it getting in the way of me cutting that "perch" off. Thanks...
EDIT: Nevermind. Looking through my Bentley, it seems like more pain than it is worth. |
if your trading or getting rid of the car why are you worring about cutting that out?
shouldn't you save that for the next owner to decide? _________________ Frank
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spoon Samba Penetrator
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Foxx4086 JHC wrote: |
if your trading or getting rid of the car why are you worring about cutting that out?
shouldn't you save that for the next owner to decide? |
So it doesn't ride like complete shit when I actually DO trade it away. What makes you so sure that the trade is gonna' go through? _________________ Pit Bull Myths, Busted!
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Foxx Uncle Meat
Joined: August 27, 2001 Posts: 4897 Location: at the computer,.......DUH!
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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spoon wrote: |
Foxx4086 JHC wrote: |
if your trading or getting rid of the car why are you worring about cutting that out?
shouldn't you save that for the next owner to decide? |
So it doesn't ride like complete shit when I actually DO trade it away. What makes you so sure that the trade is gonna' go through? |
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it was a valid question,
i won't be an asshole here.. thats for the rants.
I just know how often i see people cursing PO's for doing shit they didn't want done. _________________ Frank
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34198 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps my prejudice against lowered cars also stems from living for 8 years on a bumpy dirt road that crossed a creek, so I preferred MORE ground clearance, not less, than stock.
My bug once sank to the floorpan in clay mud, and we needed a bulldozer to pull it out. Chained the front beam to the dozer's blade and popped it up out of the dried mud/dirt. After that I learned how to drive in mud/snow and keep it moving. I know my poor T3 never liked that treatment, so now I'm fixing it up and making amends to the poor girl.
I once saw a squareback someone had raised a bunch with fenders cut out and big knobby tires, and I thought...that's one FUGLY car... and it's also just what I need some days to cross the creek! |
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spoon Samba Penetrator
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Foxx4086 JHC wrote: |
I just know how often i see people cursing PO's for doing shit they didn't want done. |
I am with you on that! But, it also seems like this is pretty common, to cut out the bumpstop perch. I feel like I am on a teeder-todder about this one. _________________ Pit Bull Myths, Busted!
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