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jpaull
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https://mooreparts.com/products/empi-00-9442-0-emp...plug-wires
Its $140 more then a Magnaspark but close to the same thing. The only difference is it uses a less efficient canister coil. (But to be fair that coil is likely more reliable then the magnaspark coil).
Pats kit, the Magnaspark, and that Empi kit are better then stock, but less powerfull then a MSD setup. Great if you dont want the most out of your ignition and just want a ready to run with no seperate cdi box. The sacrifice for the convienence is power, and you now rely on the distributors internal module that can fail and leave you stranded. But to each their own.
For $340, Anyone could still Buy a MSD style billet distributor ($100-$150) and a bullet proof analog box for $100-$150, and still have money left to get a real coil.
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67rustavenger 
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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https://mooreparts.com/products/empi-00-9442-0-emp...plug-wires
Its $140 more then a Magnaspark but close to the same thing. The only difference is it uses a less efficient canister coil. (But to be fair that coil is likely more reliable then the magnaspark coil).
Pats kit, the Magnaspark, and that Empi kit are better then stock, but less powerfull then a MSD setup. Great if you dont want the most out of your ignition and just want a ready to run with no seperate cdi box. The sacrifice for the convienence is power, and you now rely on the distributors internal module that can fail and leave you stranded. But to each their own.
For $340, Anyone could still Buy a MSD style billet distributor ($100-$150) and a bullet proof analog box for $100-$150, and still have money left to get a real coil. |
I did and couldn't be happier with the Crane Hi6N, Crane PS-92 coil and MSD clone distributor.
My 2276 starts at the tick of the key after laying dormant throughout the winter months.
It was money well spent on a reliable hot spark ignition system. 
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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All that money and not even the option of a vacuum advance ?
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1950split
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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I’ve read this really interesting thread and I am thinking about replacing my MSD Blaster 2 Coil with the blue HVC-2 blaster coil (8253). I have a MSD mag distributor so no problem on this side.
My CDI is a Mallory 6 AL2 from around 2010 (digital). I guess that the construction is very similar to a MSD al6 but if someone could confirm compatibility I’d be happy .  |
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DerrickfromNC1
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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This ignition box has been out about a year now and JPaull gave it a favorable review back on page 40 of this thread.
Anyone using it and what is your impression? |
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Lingwendil
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1950split
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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It seems that the 8253 HVC-2 bluecoil works with a Mallory hyfire 6al.
Now the question is : is this coil ok for street driving only (= lower rpm’s )and for long range trips?
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jpaull
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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It seems that the 8253 HVC-2 bluecoil works with a Mallory hyfire 6al.
Now the question is : is this coil ok for street driving only (= lower rpm’s )and for long range trips?
Phil |
The MSD HVC-2 8253 is designed specifically for the MSD 6 series, which is the specifically for street cars, its not a race coil(but still could be used as such). I would trust this coil for the street more then any other coil. As long as you have confirmation from Mallory/MSD that its ok to use with your cdi box, i would definitely use it on the street.
The other MSD HVC2 8261 and HVC 3 826123 are designed for the MSD 7 series which is the race car stuff. That being said, even folks like Robert King and others run them on the street still.
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Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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1950split
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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Hi,
Thanks JPaull.
I have asked summit if the 8253 coil is compatible. They said it should work.
However comparing the primary resistance of the coils Mallory recommended, I can see that they all had a primary resistance of 0.5 Ohm vs 0.16 Ohm for the HVC-2 blue coil (8253). The MSD Blaster 2 coil I am running has a primary resistance of 0.7 Ohm, even higher than the Mallory coils.
Less primary resistance allows more current to flow but I read that it can damage the distributor trigger, in my case a magnetic pick-up.
This makes me a little hesitant to buy the coil.
I am really not an expert in this field though and I am happy to have your feedback. |
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jpaull
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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On a cdi system using a mag pickup distributor, there will not be any difference with stress on the mag pickup between different coils.
On a non cdi system, like a distributor with a module(magnaspark/Pertronix/etc), now the coil will effect the distributor internal module and can be toast with the wrong coil.
When you said you checked if the 8253 was compatible, i thought you checked with mallory/MSD. Summit is a great seller, but for tech support you need to check with MSD as they bought Mallory, and they will know. The cdi is the part that will function poorly or die if the coil is a wrong match.
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Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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1950split
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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Yes, I have managed to write to Msd’s tech support after I figured out how without a US phone number.
We’le see what they say. Sure enough I don’t want to fry my CDI that works perfectly.
Thanks! |
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1950split
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Chinese MSD Distributor Tips & Tricks + Budget ignition Demo |
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Yes, I have managed to write to Msd’s tech support after I figured out how without a US phone number.
We’le see what they say. Sure enough I don’t want to fry my CDI that works perfectly.
Thanks! |
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