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Nilraf
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In all actuality I'm just looking for and engine that can sustain 80-90mph. I didn't realise that the porche engine would hack up my ghia, so thats not even an option I would like to pursue. I have found a 1600cc engine that I will most likely use in the ghia, as I don't really want to bastardize this car. Thanks for all of the replies and for schooling me on the way of the ghia!
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Etsola
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Hey, I was thinking in putting a 914 1.7L engine in a '69 Ghia. As I could understand here, 914 engine is type 4 ?? Right ? If that is, do you have links or litterature on a how to swap to put this engine in the Ghia as well as opinions on how difficult that is and how much it is worth going through that effort. I coould get a Ghia with no engine and good body and a 914 not too expensive.
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KarmannBob
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I'm running a fully balanced 1915 Type 1 built by Pat Downs of CB Performance, with dual Weber 44 IDFs, and my Ghia has no problem doing 80-90 mph.
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Superghia
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i think only the 914 bolts right up with no cutting. why dont you just swap in one of those. tuned you can get up to about 300 ponies
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Rome
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Nilraf, a few years ago I attended the Ghia Treffen in CA. ONe of the visitors came down from either Canada or Washington state in a '69 Ghia powered by its stock engine, a 1500 with single carburetor. Fella deserved respect in my book since he told me he easily cruised at 75mph, a claim that I fully believe. So if your 1600 is in healthy shape, you will not need too many modifications to at least hold the car to your 80mph target.
Look here for suggestions:
http://aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/mods.htm
http://aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/t1hpeng.htm
http://aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/carbs101.htm
But: the transmission in your '60 Ghia would need to be replaced with a later one that has more favorable gearing for a 1600 engine. A '67 or '68 transmission would be the ones you look for since they are still swingaxle, no modifications needed to bolt on a 1600 engine, and have the 4.12:1 final drive ratio that the guy in the '69 had. You do need to change the front piece of the '67/'68 transmission to work on your car; this piece is called the "nose cone" or the front mount.
As also addressed already, with such potential speeds you should upgrade your brakes (Porsche 356's large drums are bolt-on), install a tachometer and 3-point safety belts. |
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swanlakers
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FYI the stock 40hp, if rebuilt with care, will cruise at 73mph on the flat
(confirmed by handeld GPS)
Rebuilt 1600 with small dual carbs and a mild cam will give you plenty of cruising power.
ALWAYS start the project by fixing the brakes first.
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65 356C
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Porsche 911 2.4 in a Ghia? |
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In the late 70's I ran a turbocharged big bore Corvair in my 66 Ghia for several years. Spent a fortune on super beef-a-diff, heavy duty axles, disc brakes in front, Type 3 rear brakes, Konis and all the other needed stopping and handling goodies. I surprised a lot of small block Detroit cars as long as I was going in a relatively straight line. But the extra weight in the rear caused the steering to be a bit squirrely.
I am nearing the completion of a 68 Ghia coupe and have spent so much on the sheet metal repair panels and rubber/trim/chrome that I can't justify the cost of a proper VW type 1 at this time so I will install the spare engine I have for my 65 356. Doing so will not require any body mods to the Ghia. But in the near future I will probably go ahead and build a suitable Type 1.
The factory folks engineered these cars for a specific purpose and any attempt to dramatically alter the performance must be accompanied by serious consideration to stopping, handling and safety. Past a certain point they become dangerous and unsafe. IMHO |
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70 140
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| The 2.4 was nothing great, 150 hp or so. I sure wouldn't go trying to re-engineer a ghia to fit that in. You could build a brand new type 1, for less then a rebuild on a 2.4 |
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DONGKG
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche 911 2.4 in a Ghia? |
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First off I'd just like to say these forums are awesome, it's a rare find on the internet that you have people who actually know what they're talking about and are sharing good, easy to follow information. So just a big thanks to all fo the people who have posted, answered, and moderated here on the samba.
Secondly, I recently bought a 60' ghia with a rusted through pan. Me and my father were talking about upgrading some specific aspects of the car, mainly the engine and the braking system. He claimed that a porsche 911 2.4 can fit in the back of a ghia, but here's my question: Can you do it without cutting any of the car up? In addition to that, can you use the porsche front end, as I'm guessing they would have disc brakes?
I'm sure to be asking many more questions as the body off restoration goes along, so thanks in advance for all of the help, and once again, thank you to the whole samba community.
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http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions
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DONGKG
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retrowagen
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| The 2.4 was nothing great, 150 hp or so. I sure wouldn't go trying to re-engineer a ghia to fit that in. You could build a brand new type 1, for less then a rebuild on a 2.4 |
That's the voice of reason speaking for sure. The carburetors for those motors have been NLA for a long time and a replacement (if required) can cost thousands.
The pic the Donger just posted is of the Bader Ghia, which is only a Karmann Ghia in its outer shape. Beyond the external panels, it's basically a tube-framed Porsche 993-based racing car, not a stock Karmann-Ghia with a Porsche engine added.
I have seen a couple of P911-powered, closer to stock Ghias, and none of them struck me as either safe or well thought out. They added extra weight further away from the center of gravity, didn't address extra cooling or braking demands, and forgot to address other issues peculiar to the Porsche powerplant (i.e., dry sump).
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Porsche 911 2.4 in a Ghia? |
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And witha type 4 you can still say "I have a PORSCHE engine" Which is often all people want in a swap... |
I have a 2 liter T4 in my ride, but lots and lots of non-VW friends. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard one say "You should put a small block V8 in there.",,,,, 
So next time I hear that, I'll say, "Why would I swap out a Prosche motor for a Chevy?" 
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