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wolfej1 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 679 Location: North Royalton, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Did it function correctly though? _________________ 1982 Westy
2004 KDX200
2008 Kawasaki KLR 650
1979 Yamaha DT 175
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devesvws Samba Member

Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 1540 Location: madison va
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Perales Samba Member

Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I have had several cheap ones over the years and they never seemed to totally agree with each other. I recently splurged on a FLUKE 115 and I will never have to get another one for as long as I live (assuming I don't lose it)
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deprivation Samba Member

Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Good gawd - am I a dinosaur! I am still using the Radio Shack meter I bought back in high school (1979!)
Now, what's this digital thing everone is on about? _________________ 1986 Westy 2WD auto a.k.a. "The Old Girl"
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Bruce Wayne Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2007 Posts: 1210
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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now if I can only figure out how it works. I tried testing the Temp 2,but I don't know where to hook up the leads on the multimeter or the Temp 2. anyone help me out on this as I have never used a multimeter before.
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Perales Samba Member

Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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deprivation wrote: |
Good gawd - am I a dinosaur! I am still using the Radio Shack meter I bought back in high school (1979!)
Now, what's this digital thing everone is on about? |
Hey, I used to have a RadioShack multimeter from the 70s too. It was really good. But alas, I have no idea what happened to it. I also had a Texas Instruments SR50 calculator that cost $185 back in 1974. Gone too But I still have my old slide rule, and I still use it. _________________ -- 1987 Westfalia automatic (Captain Vino) |
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Perales Samba Member

Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce Wayne wrote: |
now if I can only figure out how it works. I tried testing the Temp 2,but I don't know where to hook up the leads on the multimeter or the Temp 2. anyone help me out on this as I have never used a multimeter before. |
Download this file:
http://www.westfalia.gomez-perales.com/Images/Actron%20Multimeter.pdf
It is the manual from a cheap multimeter that I have, (I bought it for the tachometer function) and while the meter itself is not great, the manual is! It steps you through a whole lot of automotive specific processes in really good detail. This will at least get you started. _________________ -- 1987 Westfalia automatic (Captain Vino) |
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JPrato Samba Member

Joined: December 15, 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Livonia, NY
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Perales wrote: |
deprivation wrote: |
Good gawd - am I a dinosaur! I am still using the Radio Shack meter I bought back in high school (1979!)
Now, what's this digital thing everone is on about? |
Hey, I used to have a RadioShack multimeter from the 70s too. It was really good. But alas, I have no idea what happened to it. I also had a Texas Instruments SR50 calculator that cost $185 back in 1974. Gone too But I still have my old slide rule, and I still use it. |
I think I had that calculator too. Was that the one where the buttons didn't always work and the battery died with 10 mins left to go in the exam?
Joe _________________ Joe
87 Syncro Tin Top project
84 Westy, 2.5L Subaru power
06 Subaru 2.5 turbo in waiting
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Perales Samba Member

Joined: May 07, 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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JPrato wrote: |
I think I had that calculator too. Was that the one where the buttons didn't always work and the battery died with 10 mins left to go in the exam?
Joe |
That's the one, built in rechargeable battery so you couldn't just pop in some fresh AAs. Built like a tank.
With a belt loop on the case, man I looked cool with that thing strapped on.
_________________ -- 1987 Westfalia automatic (Captain Vino) |
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pushkick Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007 Posts: 1366
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: meter,meter,meter, everywhere |
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personally i like the old simpson but the fluke is by far the better meter had my fluke 75 for almost 30 years and still ticking and yes the auto shutoff is great. it just needs a solar charger and lithium ion to complete it.
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Wildthings Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52313
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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deprivation wrote: |
Good gawd - am I a dinosaur! I am still using the Radio Shack meter I bought back in high school (1979!)
Now, what's this digital thing everone is on about? |
That sounds modern to me, I still have a Heathkit vacuum tube volt meter that I built way back in the sixties. I have to admit that I don't use it very much anymore, but it looks cool. My everyday meter is a Triplett that dates from 1977, it seldom gathers much dust, nice sturdy meter with a leather case. Only for the occasions where I need higher accuracy do I pull out the digital. |
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VanagOnly Samba Member

Joined: September 04, 2007 Posts: 81 Location: NYC,NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I bought a Fluke 23 in the mid eighties and it still works perfectly and is solid as a brick.I think I've had to change the batteries (9volt) maybe twice in that time and I use it alot both on my van and as an audio tech.Totally worth the investment. _________________ 87 Wolfie
Past rides:72 Bus- RIP
72 Volvo 145 wagon-RIP
76 Jeep Wagoneer-RIP
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presslab Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2008 Posts: 1730 Location: Sonoma County
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I bought this meter recently, it's not bad for $30:
http://aidetek.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&am...y_Code=DMM
It has some great features like auto-off, duty cycle, frequency, an included thermocouple, 20A current, relative measurement, 3hz screen update, etc.
_________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1988 Subaru GL-10 EJ20G --- 2000 Honda XR650L
2010 Titus El Guapo --- 2011 On-One 456 Ti |
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Volksaholic Samba Member

Joined: December 26, 2005 Posts: 1771 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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deprivation wrote: |
Good gawd - am I a dinosaur! I am still using the Radio Shack meter I bought back in high school (1979!)
Now, what's this digital thing everone is on about? |
Another dinosaur here... I just gave my Radio Shack meter to the thrift store after it served me well for about 30 years. I bought a Fluke 177 on eBay because I wanted a more sensitive digital meter. I don't know which meters have this feature, but on the Fluke I can tell the display to update only with min, max or average readings so it can behave more like the analog instead of jumping all over the place like the early digitals (a problem that steered me clear of digitals for years).
A couple of things I find I really like about this meter: the audible continuity tester... probably 80% or 90% of the time when I used the ohm meter function it was to test continuity and I find the audible feature to be much faster when doing multiple tests. I also like the fact that it's more compact and it's designed so you can hang it easily. I use a small Velcro cable tie through the slot on the back of the meter and I can usually find someplace to hang it above my work. I also wanted the frequency measurement capability.
I debated whether to get one of the meters with the temperature sender, and actually won an auction on one and paid for it but the seller flaked out. The Flukes that seemed to be in the ballpark for what I wanted were the 115, 116*, 117, 175, 177, 179* (* = temperature measurement feature). I think any of these would be pretty good options for automotive troubleshooting... Flukes are definitely priced as pro tools but they are good quality. _________________ 1988 Wolfsburg Edition, 2001 Subaru EJ251 |
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cellerdoor Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2012 Posts: 406 Location: Fairfax Virginia
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Reviving an old topic,
Going to work though some electrical issues on the van over this winter and Im tired of the cheap digital multimeters failing, so Im going to source a robust one. I also need a meter for various battery testing (sons collection of airsoft and RC cars) plus home wiring use.
Looks like the Fluke 110 family fits the bill (Fluke 113, 114 or 115). The 116 has temperature sensors but I cant figure out how I would use this on a Vanagon unless Im trying to put out a gas line fire.
Anybody have these? Will this take car of any vanagon need? Will the 113 do everything on the van or do I need more features.
Total noob on auto electrical testing so I dont know what features to look for.
Thanks _________________ 1986 Westy |
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dhaavers Samba Member

Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 8388 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure the Fluke is lovely (I don't have one) but if you ever want to test your
O2 sensor operation, you'll need an analog tester with the sweep needle.
For now, sure - get the Fluke. You can always pick up a cheap analog when/if needed.
Just sayin'...  _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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61Scout Samba Member

Joined: November 06, 2011 Posts: 1297 Location: Shoreline/Yakima WA
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nocreditnodebt Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2012 Posts: 332 Location: Socal
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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The cheap harbor freight Cen-tech contributed to me overcharging my batteries as it reads .24 volts low, but I should have known better than to trust it.
I now have a AC/DC clamp on Ammeter/DMM. These are great for figuring out how much current is flowing through any single wire. One does not need to open up the circuit and run the current through the digital multimeter, And one is not limited to 10 amps max as most meters are. Mine reads very closely with my shunted meter/battery monitor as long as one zeroes it while the meter is right next to the wire it will be clamped over.
It also has an Auto shut down feature, and most all other digital multimeter functions.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-digital-clamp-on-ammeter/p-03482369000P.
Uses two AAA batteries. Do not use rechargeables. I was getting huge discrepencies in voltage and amps using NiMh's in this meter. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Look for a meter with full sized sockets or the test leads. some meters come with "baby" sockets that wont accept the larger test lead connectors. many cheaper meters either have the baby sockets or have full sized socket wih cheap short length test leads, that wont accept alligator clips. if you buy a meter with the standard bigger sockets, and the test leads are short and have no alligator clips, you can then buy a quality test lead set, with long wires and removable alligator leads.
some really cheap meters (like the $5 one I bought once at harbour frieght) stopped working within weeks.
anolong meters are generally my favorite, they are great for measuring vairing voltages, and more convenent in measuring resistance that varies, It is a lot easier for me to see the variation of a needle moving than digits changing. however anaolgs dont take kindly to reverse polarity (plus and minus wires mixed up when taking volt readings.) one old school trick to help protect an anolog meter aginst over range or reverse polarity measurements is to flash the test lead on the terminal to be measured very quickly while observing the neddle, if your fast at removing the test lead you can prevent a burn out, you observe the needle, and if it rapidly shots to over scale, or rapidly flicks backwards, you know your reveresed, or over range, but since you only flashed the test lead on the terminal, you likely prevented damage.. You cant flash a digital to easily as you cant really see the digits go up, and thus it is easy to over range them (they are however protected aginst reverse polarity)
new younger technicians dont have this skill of flashing a meter test lead, and i have seen them fry both anolog and digital meters when there is an over range (anolog or digital) or reverse polarity (in case of anolog)
so make it habbit to flash your meter's test leads. a tried and proven method to save a meater from harm. if the flash does enot cause a rapid movement of the neddle to the stops, then you are safe to firmly attach the leads.
one nice thing about an anolog meter is that no battery is required for current or volt readings (resistance readings require a battery) thus an anolog meter would be a good choice to keep in the cars tool kit as you wont be stranded cause of dead battery
I have both types digital and anolog, each has it's fine points.
But no mater what, get full sized standard sockets on the meter to accept a quality set of test leads. it is a real pain when the test leads are not long enough, and/or there is no alligator clips so you cant have a free hand, for instance to hold the meter with or for writting down readings. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8440 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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cellerdoor wrote: |
The 116 has temperature sensors but I cant figure out how I would use this on a Vanagon unless Im trying to put out a gas line fire. |
My Craftsman came with a temp sensor. Have used it quite a bit: A/C temp, brake temp, etc. There again, I don't have an IR gun, so the Craftsman temp thing comes in handy for me. If you already have an IR gun type of tool, then no real need to spend more money on a feature you don't really need. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子 |
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