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Sunroof53 Samba Member

Joined: October 22, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: Diesel Split |
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Interesting article for you
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Seb67 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 1009 Location: New England
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David Samba Member

Joined: June 29, 2004 Posts: 2050 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Cool find! I hadn't seen or heard of this... is this mentioned or covered in more detail in "Birth of the Beetle'? _________________ Cheers,
Dave
*October '54 Ragtop
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Hebster52 Samba Member

Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1886 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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Sepi Samba Member

Joined: October 04, 2008 Posts: 137 Location: Mikkeli Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: |
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The history could be different if Bosch had this pump 30 years earlier
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Hebster52 wrote: |
I've seen this article before.
I think it was last year when Subaru launched "The first Boxer diesel in the world..."
Yeah, right...
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Yes, but Subaru will contend that VW never marketed and sold diesel Beetles... _________________ John Henry
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Keith Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3632 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm actually surprised VW didn't go to production with this. Especially with Europes love for diesel. What kind of fuel mileage is that getting? _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind |
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rainierdeklark Samba Member

Joined: December 04, 2007 Posts: 624 Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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ovalteen wrote: |
I'm actually surprised VW didn't go to production with this. Especially with Europes love for diesel. What kind of fuel mileage is that getting? |
I'm actually glad that they didn't. A diesel engine is cute in a Ferguson tracktor, but please not in my beloved Beetle  _________________ Modern cars are nothing but visual pollution !
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outdoorplay Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2009 Posts: 1 Location: OC, SoCal
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I would think a diesel bug would be sweet, and just think of MPG you would get??????  |
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Sunroof53 Samba Member

Joined: October 22, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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The article is from a 1991 VW motoring.Hope you can read the scan and that your eyes dont hurt too much  |
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Hebster52 Samba Member

Joined: March 14, 2003 Posts: 1886 Location: Finland, Jakobstad
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mb Samba Member

Joined: June 24, 2003 Posts: 237 Location: Nuremberg - hometown of the 1931/-32 Volkswagen Porsche Type 12
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7114 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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posted pictures from auto bild article
i like it  _________________ regards
Uli
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 28049 Location: Free State of Florida
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine weight would have been the primary objection. A diesel engine is a heavy lump.
A lot of engineering and use of light-weight material was required to get the rear-to-front weight break below the 60/40 ratio deemed necessary for a (relatively) safe handling rear-engined car. Once that 60 percent rear weight bias was surpassed the cars would become dangerously tail happy. (Chevrolet learned that lesson the hard way.) _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7114 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
I imagine weight would have been the primary objection. A diesel engine is a heavy lump.
A lot of engineering and use of light-weight material was required to get the rear-to-front weight break below the 60/40 ratio deemed necessary for a (relatively) safe handling rear-engined car. Once that 60 percent rear weight bias was surpassed the cars would become dangerously tail happy. (Chevrolet learned that lesson the hard way.) |
the article indicated brutal noise as the main concern, and a 60 second 0-62 mp/h acceleration.
The engine is essentially a 1300cc, 3piece case, porsche engine. Weight should be fairly similar. The fuel pump however might be quite heavy. _________________ regards
Uli
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2439 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think that keeping the heads sealed to the cyls would be the major hurtle. Perhaps a giant "C" clamp, with a tightening schedule could help.  _________________ Jack Staggs
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 996 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is that perforated metal can on the radio blockoff plate, with the glowing element inside? I've seen that before on old truck dashboards too.....is it an extra element that shows how the glowplugs are heating up, before start-up? _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7114 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Zwitterkafer wrote: |
Excuse my ignorance, but what is that perforated metal can on the radio blockoff plate, with the glowing element inside? I've seen that before on old truck dashboards too.....is it an extra element that shows how the glowplugs are heating up, before start-up? |
yep, old benz diesels had a little element like that, and a starter button to pull (not push) _________________ regards
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tisius Samba Member

Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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a diesel beetle..... weird!
the 25hp beetle in stock zwitter configuration was already not a speed record breaker ... imagine a diesel from back then (did they make flintstone holes in the floor to help the acceleration/topspeed? ).
Plus a diesel engine is more expensive to produce (must resist much higher temperatures), so I see why the plan didn't make it past the prototype stage. Very interesting though, that VW tried anyway.
And obviously they didn't have a regulatory smog emission test back then, cause that tailpipe looks like a smokescreen feature from a James Bond car to me!
Haha i want one to smoke out the neighbors  _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
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ChrisRheinschild Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Clemmons, NC
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: diesel VW |
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There was mention in Hot VWs letter section some months ago of a currently manufactured and available Kohler small 35? hp diesel. I looked on the Kohler site. There were several application adapters and the weight seemed within reason. This may be a feasible installation. |
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