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James D
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WW Okrassa kit installed |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa kit - WARNING |
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(...)your "expert" opinion, say that the engineers at Okrasa didn't have the slightest idea how to build an engine(...) |
Why be aggressive? Who say that ? just you.
I had several okrasa heads. First generation, second generation (with “X” near intake port) and now I receive this kit from WW.
To be able to buy this kit is good. ( Thanks WW for that !) Simply, there is for me a problem and I explain why. Several solutions exist to solve this problem.
Simply, this is a "warning" ( see title ) because we cannot use plug and play out of the box to have a correct assembly and to be reliable. That's all. 
You are free to have the conclusion which you wish
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That's not my opinion, that's what I got from the original poster's rant about Wolfsburg West's heads. I don't agree with him one bit. |
LOL! There´s only one rant on this thread, and you wrote it.
I think I have a legitimate problem with the heads, and provided photos to show that I wasn´t making the whole thing up. Exactly what part of that don´t you "agree with"? |
The heads are still modeled off of NOS Okrasa heads, which have the same dimensions, whether you say you have a problem with them or not. It's simply a reproduction of an NOS part. Wolfsburg West isn't going to go changing the head design on their reproduction Okrasa heads as they aren't in the business of doing engine work. If you want that, talk to any of the well respected individuals on these forums that do engine work/head work.
You never did answer my question, which I feel is a valid question. What sort of qualifications do you have to say that the engineers at Okrasa were wrong in their cylinder head design? They felt the dimensions of their heads were good, and obviously a number of people at the time did, as well, as Okrasa's sales were good.
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joe h.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa kit - WARNING |
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| Andrew wrote: |
| James D wrote: |
| Andrew wrote: |
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| Andrew wrote: |
(...)your "expert" opinion, say that the engineers at Okrasa didn't have the slightest idea how to build an engine(...) |
Why be aggressive? Who say that ? just you.
I had several okrasa heads. First generation, second generation (with “X” near intake port) and now I receive this kit from WW.
To be able to buy this kit is good. ( Thanks WW for that !) Simply, there is for me a problem and I explain why. Several solutions exist to solve this problem.
Simply, this is a "warning" ( see title ) because we cannot use plug and play out of the box to have a correct assembly and to be reliable. That's all.
You are free to have the conclusion which you wish
Eric |
That's not my opinion, that's what I got from the original poster's rant about Wolfsburg West's heads. I don't agree with him one bit. |
LOL! There´s only one rant on this thread, and you wrote it.
I think I have a legitimate problem with the heads, and provided photos to show that I wasn´t making the whole thing up. Exactly what part of that don´t you "agree with"? |
The heads are still modeled off of NOS Okrasa heads, which have the same dimensions, whether you say you have a problem with them or not. It's simply a reproduction of an NOS part. Wolfsburg West isn't going to go changing the head design on their reproduction Okrasa heads as they aren't in the business of doing engine work. If you want that, talk to any of the well respected individuals on these forums that do engine work/head work.
You never did answer my question, which I feel is a valid question. What sort of qualifications do you have to say that the engineers at Okrasa were wrong in their cylinder head design? They felt the dimensions of their heads were good, and obviously a number of people at the time did, as well, as Okrasa's sales were good. |
My original Okrasa heads have a nice thick consistent surface. They don't taper in at all.
Edit: I just compared my heads to the ones on page 2 and mine are the "40 S" heads. It looks like when they went to the 42cc heads they cut into the mating surface.
How many cc's are the WW heads?
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James D
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa kit - WARNING |
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The heads are still modeled off of NOS Okrasa heads, which have the same dimensions, whether you say you have a problem with them or not. It's simply a reproduction of an NOS part. Wolfsburg West isn't going to go changing the head design on their reproduction Okrasa heads as they aren't in the business of doing engine work. If you want that, talk to any of the well respected individuals on these forums that do engine work/head work.
You never did answer my question, which I feel is a valid question. What sort of qualifications do you have to say that the engineers at Okrasa were wrong in their cylinder head design? They felt the dimensions of their heads were good, and obviously a number of people at the time did, as well, as Okrasa's sales were good. |
Huh? I never said there was any design flaw in the original Okrasa heads - it never crossed my mind. I´ve no idea where you got that from. Maybe you could point out where I wrote that?
All I said is that there seems to be a defect in the manufacture of my repro heads, so they don´t have the same dimensions as original. They aren´t CNC machined from a CAD model - they´re castings. Errors can and do creep in. Splitpile and many others seem to be happy with their heads, but mine and a couple of others appear to be machined slightly off centre.
So what qualifies you to say that a 1.5mm seat is wide enough?
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James D
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa kit - WARNING |
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How many cc's are the WW heads? |
Eric just measured them - they´re 46cc. |
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James D
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| Well - credit where it´s due - Wolfsburg West were in touch again and did most kindly offer to exchange the heads for some with the 2.33mm tolerance, and to cover the shipping costs, which I find to be very fair of them. Thanks guys! |
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| Glad to hear, Wolfsburg West is a stand up company, they've always treated me right. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Well - credit where it´s due - Wolfsburg West were in touch again and did most kindly offer to exchange the heads for some with the 2.33mm tolerance, and to cover the shipping costs, which I find to be very fair of them. Thanks guys! |
thumbs up on ww. that is how it should work!
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Excellent customer service from WW!
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Very stand up company, now more people buy and install the kit so I'll have someone to race at Bug-In
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| Very stand up company, now more people buy and install the kit so I'll have someone to race at Bug-In |
I'm saving up my sheckles to buy this kit. I have to say, James' posts were scarring me off, but now that WW is making it right I will buy when the time is right. |
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Andrew
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| Huh? I never said there was any design flaw in the original Okrasa heads - it never crossed my mind. I´ve no idea where you got that from. Maybe you could point out where I wrote that? |
Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said this earlier in the thread.
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| 2.5mm isn´t enough in any case. |
And then this afterward
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| Though there must be a reason why VW heads have 4mm. |
Glad to hear that Wolfsburg West is exchanging your heads with another set that you'll (hopefully) be happy with, though.
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