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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool project. I'm watching with interest.

What rpms does the Scooby TDi run at @70mph?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see a torque/hp graph of the Sub diesel if anyone knows of one handy. From what I gather, in stock form it puts out a fairly impressive 150bhp and 258ft-lbs of torque. That's an extra 60hp and 103ft-lbs over the early TDIs that fit under the engine lid. The peak torque is available at 1,800 rpms. The engine may well be able to be mated to the trans using existing conversion parts. Those are a few good reasons.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=391279

'bout halfway down the page..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are more details about the EE20 engine :

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Very interesting link (in russian) content nice pics and details : http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rea...lAf17Z3_CQ


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SyncroGhia wrote:
Cool project. I'm watching with interest.

What rpms does the Scooby TDi run at @70mph?

MG


Hi MG,
Can you clarify? There is 5speed and 6speed gearbox...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Subaru boxer diesel will be a great engine choice. There have been many of us dreaming about the possibility of this conversion for the last few years. It's great to see that you are going to make this a reality. With the balance characteristics of a horizontally opposed four, the, smoothness and refinement should be in a different league than the typical inline four diesel.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the Subaru boxer diesel will be a great engine choice. There have been many of us dreaming about the possibility of this conversion for the last few years. It's great to see that you are going to make this a reality. With the balance characteristics of a horizontally opposed four, the, smoothness and refinement should be in a different league than the typical inline four diesel.

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Thanks for your positive comment. I grew up In France, in the midle of diesel, turbo diesel, tdi, tdi PD,tdi CR ... and the fact of having a flat diesel with a different sound is partly why I go with it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOTS of torque - down low
should fit like a glove
MILEAGE
New motor
originality
many technical advances (compared to a EJ22/25)

The only thing that worries me with the new-gen Subaru turbos is the turbo placement. I worry about water crossings/rocks getting at the low hanging turbo. On the other hand it makes for ultra quick turbo spooling, and compact plumbing.


GREAT project man. I can't wait to see how it all pans out.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfffffff.......

It won't kill the transmission,as long as the torque gets where he mentionned:read the numbers he wrote in NM.

Greg,the 1.9TDI fits under the lid with a 50° angle,but we don't give a shit:you go the Subaru diesel way,because you worth it.

Maybe it's not rationnal to you guys,but it's his thing,even if he won't be able to find parts easily,even if it costs a fortune that the difference of running with a gas engine with poor gas mileage will never cover....


Grab some popcorn,a soda,and let's watch the nice picture movie coming Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SyncroGhia wrote:
Cool project. I'm watching with interest.

What rpms does the Scooby TDi run at @70mph?

MG


Hi MG,
Can you clarify? There is 5speed and 6speed gearbox...


GSB


Ok, didn't realise the Scoob came with 5 and 6 speed. I'd be interested to know mpg and rpms for both 5 and 6 speed as it makes quiet a difference on VW/Audi cars.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for fun: Found these quotes from 2008 on Jalopnik.com:

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Whether you're a smug hippie, or you're smug about not being a smug hippie, you need diesel levels of smug torque to carry around your excess smug.

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Points to whomever can wedge one of these in a Brat first.
Also, perfect Vanagan Syncro motor.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admire people like you, not because it's a Subi but because it's a new design/engine and will probably be a nice fit in the van. There will always be some bitching/close minded/jealous people anyway, forget about those.

It's a new adventure and it look like you have the money, time and capacity to accomplish this project. With time, I will gladly share with you any info you may need on CAN-BUS because that will be your only big problem.

From the picture i have seen I'll bet that the engine to trany mating surface is the same so that one less part that you will need to built.

Also, Hans from Vanaru as been building crazy nice conversion part since last spring, he is to humble to show his product. He spent many month designing new engine support/mount, they are amazing believe me. He also built his own headers with Canadian SS, new EX tank and bypass tube and so on.

For now, those new high end conversion part are for him and I only, he hope one day to offer them to the general public.

that said, when you have the engine and more data you should give him a buzz, i'm sure he would be really happy built you some specific part like the engine mount.

I'm no engineer and no machinist but i have deeply participate in testing/suggesting/criticizing and helping make conversion parts better and better. Even today, we keep pushing development in the hope to one day achieve perfection.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ftp2leta wrote:
I admire people like you, not because it's a Subi but because it's a new design/engine and will probably be a nice fit in the van. There will always be some bitching/close minded/jealous people anyway, forget about those.

It's a new adventure and it look like you have the money, time and capacity to accomplish this project. With time, I will gladly share with you any info you may need on CAN-BUS because that will be your only big problem.....


Thanks,
Sounds good !! IF I need help I will let you know Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ftp2leta wrote:
With time, I will gladly share with you any info you may need on CAN-BUS because that will be your only big problem.

What kind of problems with this CAN-BUS?

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If the question was asked to me:"Why a Subaru Boxer diesel?"
I will answer:"Because it's a boxer and because it's a diesel."
Just as simple as this.
The originals diesel engines which have been fit in the rear of the vanagon come from golf and when you you think of it. It's like a swap made by vw himself. Because the engine only fit under the lid with a 50° angle and a proper oil pan. Those engines wasn't made for vanagon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhesq wrote:
Putting this much money into a conversion that isn't [i]a confirmed conversion that everyone...

What, besides the cool factor, makes the Subaru diesel so appealing to put into a Volkswagen Vanagon?


I did not pay much for this engine, I just have the right contact over there... Buying a brand new Tdi in the US will cost about the same for me( maybe more Shocked ).

I had multiple Vanagon Here in the US (Suby 2.2) and there in France (1.9 Tdi 1z)... So I was tempted by doing the 2.0 tdi CR but It was not enough of a challenge, I wanted more and I had the luck to get one of thoses brand new engine that are not availlable on the market. Such opportunity for me is not possible to miss.

I like this engine because it's smaller than the tdi, 10% lighter and 10hp more powerful. I won't have to touch my lid and my bed setup which to me is a big advantage. The sound of the 4 inline is ok but nothing to the exotic one of the boxer diesel.

To me it is obvious that it is the Ultimate (dream engine) engine for a vanagon. Never swaped It's true but not for too long Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me it is obvious that it is the Ultimate (dream engine) engine for a vanagon.


Glad someone finally put that one to rest, now what are we going to talk about?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me it is obvious that it is the Ultimate (dream engine) engine for a vanagon.


Glad someone finally put that one to rest, now what are we going to talk about?
Very Happy


Onboard WVO filtration system to run 50% oil 50% diesel ??
I would like to have a dirty tank (in aluminum) located in the front where the spare wheel is supose to be, connected to a clean tank located midle right side under the sliding door.
I'm wandering if people already did that... any experience with onboard filtration systems ??

I will put a scheme of what I plan to do soon.

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Go overboard on your filtering even for the straight diesel, the CR engines really dont like any even remotely dirty fuel. A 2 micron fleetguard setup would be highly recommended. Also a diesel specific (low pressure) lift pump is likely required for that motor.

I'm a die-hard vw tdi lover but i have to admit; if this isn't to nasty to get mounted & running it really might be the best option for a cutting edge technology diesel. Not that a 1Z at 50 degrees should ever be poopoo'd. Wink It's just not the same tech.

How do you feel about the stock turbo location? I'm not familiar enough with subi installs; is that lower than the stock or the shortened oil pans?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Go overboard on your filtering even for the straight diesel, the CR engines really dont like any even remotely dirty fuel. A 2 micron fleetguard setup would be highly recommended. Also a diesel specific (low pressure) lift pump is likely required for that motor.

I'm a die-hard vw tdi lover but i have to admit; if this isn't to nasty to get mounted & running it really might be the best option for a cutting edge technology diesel. Not that a 1Z at 50 degrees should ever be poopoo'd. Wink It's just not the same tech.

How do you feel about the stock turbo location? I'm not familiar enough with subi installs; is that lower than the stock or the shortened oil pans?



Sorry, I was probably not clear enough. I know it can be mixed at 50% filtered at 1µ and run Smile . I'm asking if there is some experience with onboard filtration system out there?? But I will ask that question on an other forum more specific to wvo (oliomobile).

For the turbo you can clearly see on this picture below that it needs to be relocated (I'm pretty sure). But once relocated, the oilpan looks really short so probably no mods for that. Note the nice turbo skid plate that I heard, is very tough. So it's still good to have even if I relocate Very Happy

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Let's forget the DPF Very Happy ! My thought from what I've seen will be to relocate the turbo torward the back 3" or 4" so I could then shift it up and make it level (or just a litle higher) with the oil pan. knowing that the engine is 2.5" shorter than the EJ20 I have plenty of room for exhaust design and turbo relocation.

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