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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Steering Gearbox Seals Reply with quote

Anyone have any info on where I can get a set of seals for my 69 bay. The Canadian place has the output shaft seal but not the input shaft, and since the one he has is 10 bucks with 15 bucks shipping, I thought I'd look around.

The old ones don't look that bad, but while I have it out.....

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

look at the seal. get the numbers off it - they will be metric and go to your local bearing supply. I have seals for the late bays but haven't a clue what size the early bay boxes take.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:40 pm    Post subject: Seal numbers Reply with quote

The numbers/info on the seals are (original vw):

Input shaft: BASL 24-36-7 with cFw A 4
Output shaft: D6 27.37.7/2

I imagine two of the numbers have to do with inner and outer diameter, then one number for depth?

Will research it..thanks for the tip.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I imagine two of the numbers have to do with inner and outer diameter, then one number for depth?


yes

24mm x 36mm x 7mm

The late steering boxes use different sizes:
The upper is 22x32x7
The lower is 28x38x7.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you find them?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Seals Reply with quote

Called one place, they only were wholesellers. Tried working through a normal auto supply place (O'reillys), who have always tried pretty hard for me, and they could only get one for me, so I told them to hold off for now.

Haven't had time to visit a place I know about 20 min away, but they are a Purvis Bearing shop and might be able to help.

Still working it!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Seals Reply with quote

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Called one place, they only were wholesellers. Tried working through a normal auto supply place (O'reillys), who have always tried pretty hard for me, and they could only get one for me, so I told them to hold off for now.

Haven't had time to visit a place I know about 20 min away, but they are a Purvis Bearing shop and might be able to help.

Still working it!


Here's some numbers to work with:

68-72 Bay Window

211 415 273 Output Shaft Seal 27x37x7
Chicago Rawhide Seal # CR 10577

211 415 277 Input (Worm) Seal 24x36x7
Chicago Rawhide Seal # CR 9502

A good bearing supply house should be able to get these for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An industrial hydraulic supply house should be able to get the seals you need. Frequently a hydraulic and bearing house are combined. No need to mention it's on a bus. Instead rely on part number cross references, your old seals, or measurements of the shaft and bore sizes. There are a million industrial listings. If you go by the automotive parts houses that greatly limits you.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also NAPA or good FLAPS will often cross reference a CR (Chicago Rawhide in the day) seal number. I needed axle seals for my Bobcat loader wasn't about to pay $50 each for them, looked em up on the CR website (great crosses by dimension and common part numbers) and paid $4 each from NAPA for some '70s Datsun rear hub seal that was equivalent. So give em a call with the CR numbers listed if you don't have a good local bearing place close, or if they balk (as they sometimes do) at selling cash to you. Most good bearing places will however. Many great online bearing supply houses as well who are happy to drop even small orders right in a priority pack to you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guys at my local purvis bearing are working on it. When I finally get them I will let everyone know the details on the seals and how they seem to fit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Seals are here! Reply with quote

Every little victory counts!

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I got them from Purvis:

24x36x7 Seal is a SKF Seal HMSA75 R Made in Czech Rep
27x37x7 Seal is a Timken Seal with a number 100127427 Made in Taiwan



211 415 135 A Steering Box Cover Gasket VW T2 Split 1955-1967 VW T2 Bay 1967-1972
#7 211 415 169 Steering Box Dirt Seal VW T2 Bay 1967-1972
#25 211 415 273 Steering Lever Shaft Seal 27x37x7
#26 211 415 277 Steering Worm Seal 24x36x7

#23 211 415 235 qty28 1/4" Worm Drive Shaft Ball Bearings


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How difficult is it to replace the output shaft seal on a late bay gearbox? Are there any good threads on this?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't the service manual have the info?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2bayday wrote:
How difficult is it to replace the output shaft seal on a late bay gearbox? Are there any good threads on this?


assembled or disassembled? If it is assembled then you will need to have tried it on something else first. There are many ways to pull it including a screw but one can get into trouble. I find that even with a new seal they will leak a little from rust pitting and a grove but we are talking just a few drops a month vs a puddle.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: gear box seals Reply with quote

I once used JB epoxy weld to fill the grove the front oil seal made in the harmonic balancer of a 1963 GMC pickup. I cleaned it really well and put it on and let it set for 24 hours. Then I put it in my drill press and filed it down almost to the surface then I started using finner and finner sand papper on it till it was very very smooth. I drove it like that for another year without a leak. I used to drive 45 miles to work one way thats 90 miles a day 5 days a week with no leaks from it. I don't see why it wouldn't work on a gear box that is worn or pitted from rust where the seals go.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't nice when everyone shares knowledge and plays together in the sandbox well?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: 1971 Bus Steering Box Seal Reply with quote

wvukidsdoc wrote:
Also NAPA or good FLAPS will often cross reference a CR (Chicago Rawhide in the day) seal number.


Thanks for this discussion. I was able to order the seal I needed for the output shaft of my steering box from NAPA.
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This is the 27x37x7 seal. NAPA part number 563524. The NAPA guy had to call it in, but they found it.
I thought I would post it in this thread in case someone else was looking for the same thing and did not want to order it from the Canadians.

I am now waiting for the puller to pop that arm off the shaft..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:

The late steering boxes use different sizes:
The upper is 22x32x7
The lower is 28x38x7.


These are the Chicago Rawhide numbers they crossreference to:

28x38x7 Stock Number: 10924
22x32x7 Stock Number: 8510


Autozone only had the 8510 seal( $6 ), but NAPA was able to order the 10924 seal ( $8 ). Forgot to ask NAPA about the 8510 since I already had it on order with autozone.

Napa also had quarts of GL-4 in stock for just under $10.

I may try and look up the dimensions for the o-ring seal that goes under the round circular plate. Not exactly a seal that wears, but after nearly 40 years seems like a waste not to due it while I have things apart.
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