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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
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The problem is that in English the word recreation has the connotation of “fake”. |
I completely agree.
Having the word "recreation" on the cover would be a HUGE MISTAKE.
Recreation means the car is NOT an original Volkswagen but something home made to look the same. In other words a fake. |
And the VERY reason I asked the question as to why "Re-creation" is on the cover, it makes no sense to use that word on a book about a genuine vehicle. Anybody who wasn't in the know that this is a genuine prototype would think it was just a fake/copy and not real. To me it lumps VW38 with the red and blue prototypes commissioned by Volkswagen not long ago, THOSE are re-creations !! _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind
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otahuhu Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 561
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Seriously! from the English dictionary (oxford)...
recreation: activity done for enjoyment when one is not working.
re-creation: to make something from the past exist or seem to exist again;
to create something again.
restoration: the process of restoring a building, work of art, etc to its original
condition.
No offense to all the hard work that would have gone into the translation of this book, and not to say that it wouldn't have been enjoyable, but "recreation" is not the correct word to use here.
Personally, I lean toward the word "resurrection" as there is something a little miraculous about the whole saga, not least of which is that it survived in any, way, shape or form at all... |
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Björn Schewe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:47 am Post subject: |
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We should send Axel for 1/2 year to a english lesson school exchange before he translate his next book project |
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axel struwe Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2005 Posts: 287 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your proposals.
I will talk with the publishing house
and we will find a solution. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4095
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
drscope wrote: |
The problem is that in English the word recreation has the connotation of “fake”. |
I completely agree.
Having the word "recreation" on the cover would be a HUGE MISTAKE.
Recreation means the car is NOT an original Volkswagen but something home made to look the same. In other words a fake. |
and this car is certainly NOT a fake.
Even the naysayers early on who said there was not much left of the original car would have no argument given the large number of parts that were found after the original car was found. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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belgianboxer Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:24 am Post subject: |
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axel struwe wrote: |
Thank you all for your proposals.
I will talk with the publishing house
and we will find a solution. |
Thanks Axel, let's hope this will end the discussion. It would be much nicer if someone could 'resurrect' this topic with new info about the actual subject, car VW38/06 |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Not to prolong the discussion, and not to apply it to 006, but here is a good discussion on the definition, history and valuation of classic car recreations.
http://collectorcarmarket.com/content/articles/clones/collector_car_clones.html
I look forward eagerly to the English edition. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
Wanted: Art Collins VW (Savannah, Georgia) items - license plate surrounds and other items. Also ivory "AM", "FM" and "SW" buttons for a US Blaupunkt Frankfurt. |
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Stetoppingphoto Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2012 Posts: 475 Location: Darwen
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Great news on the english version of the book, i own the German version and i got halfway through translating it and made a word file on the copy but i never got time to finish it. I'l be buying the english copy when its avalible
This discussion on words? id agree with Resurrection as the main body of the car is very original so i see it as the car coming back to life. _________________ stetoppingphoto |
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sweden Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2006 Posts: 227 Location: sweden
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:49 am Post subject: Please more details on all found rare parts |
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Christian, Björn,Undis or anyone else that knows.
I want to know every small detail on every rare 1938 parts.
How they where found.
What parts was found and in what condition they were found.
I can not understand how they can find such rare parts soo many years after
Although i understand that Christian and team has good contacts
I will not sacrifice my right hand but maybe my left hand if i get all details.
Best regard Patrik
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Brezelwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2003 Posts: 1421 Location: Tyngsboro, MA
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
drscope wrote: |
The problem is that in English the word recreation has the connotation of “fake”. |
I completely agree.
Having the word "recreation" on the cover would be a HUGE MISTAKE.
Recreation means the car is NOT an original Volkswagen but something home made to look the same. In other words a fake. |
It would be far more accurate and appropriate to define this project, as a reconstruction.
It is not a recreation given the authenticity of the base/foundation of this project, which was a found partial historical relic. The enormous degree of research and new replacement fabrication work required, to transform what was found, into a representation of what it once was, was an effort well beyond even the most extreme of restorations.
As there is also little to nothing to faithfully compare/contrast it to fully, nor completely reference from a full set of original documentation, there is a certain degree of professional level interpretation involved in order to bring it back as closely as possible to what it once was, but never exactly the same as it was. As most of these earliest cars were of considerable one-off type productions, there are likely a range of unknowns that still and will remain despite the herculean effort involved.
It is however, perhaps the highest achievement this hobby will ever reach, and it deserves its place in history as such, regardless of what is ever debated, or referred to as, as it was an unusually massive undertaking that only a select few could accomplish. |
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axel struwe Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2005 Posts: 287 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:26 am Post subject: |
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The DK publishing house asked me to share the new book cover of the englisch version of the VW 38 book here on the samba. If you have any a proposal for the translation, let us know.
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Resurrecting is the right word to use.
I'm not so sure about the word "Splitty" Split Window seems more appropriate. I thing the word splitty is much more recent term to describe a split. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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belgianboxer Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:25 am Post subject: |
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The fact that the car is a 'Split Window' is obvious, so it can be left out...
So, why not use The First Beetle as main title...?
For the subtitle, I would opt for: Resurrection of a 1938 Volkswagen |
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axel struwe Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2005 Posts: 287 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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belgianboxer wrote: |
The fact that the car is a 'Split Window' is obvious, so it can be left out...
So, why not use The First Beetle as main title...?
For the subtitle, I would opt for: Resurrection of a 1938 Volkswagen |
You are right. I will tell the publisher the proposals and we will see.
The book is not printed yet, so we have time to change the words.
Axel |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I like belgianboxer's suggestions. They sound more appropriate for the tone and standard set by the book, a tone that conveys a sense of a work of art and dedication and love for the car. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
Wanted: Art Collins VW (Savannah, Georgia) items - license plate surrounds and other items. Also ivory "AM", "FM" and "SW" buttons for a US Blaupunkt Frankfurt. |
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Stetoppingphoto Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2012 Posts: 475 Location: Darwen
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:08 am Post subject: |
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belgianboxer wrote: |
The fact that the car is a 'Split Window' is obvious, so it can be left out...
So, why not use The First Beetle as main title...?
For the subtitle, I would opt for: Resurrection of a 1938 Volkswagen |
i like that idea. _________________ stetoppingphoto |
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fifty8 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2003 Posts: 442 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Seems the book could use some appendices with all the parts (38 engine, etc) that have been found since the book was released. Looking forward to getting a copy _________________ 2000 Golf TDi
1981 Scirocco S
1980 Scirocco S (track car) project
1951 Chevy Bel Air (project 'Mom's first car')
1948 Ford F-1 (project)
searching for May 7, 1969 Karmann Ghia (149 860 0??) |
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volksfahrer.nl Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2003 Posts: 2128 Location: Delft Holland
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:02 am Post subject: |
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belgianboxer wrote: |
The fact that the car is a 'Split Window' is obvious, so it can be left out...
So, why not use The First Beetle as main title...?
For the subtitle, I would opt for: Resurrection of a 1938 Volkswagen |
Volkswagen didn't exist in 1938 _________________ www.volksfahrer.nl
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belgianboxer Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:23 am Post subject: |
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volksfahrer.nl wrote: |
belgianboxer wrote: |
The fact that the car is a 'Split Window' is obvious, so it can be left out...
So, why not use The First Beetle as main title...?
For the subtitle, I would opt for: Resurrection of a 1938 Volkswagen |
Volkswagen didn't exist in 1938 |
The company didn't, but the word itself was used well before any KdF-wagen was built... |
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drscope Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Henry Ford’s Model T was often referred to as a People’s Car and it certainly predated the Kdf or the Volkswagen. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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