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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:43 pm Post subject: Can I take off the spindles AND the torsion arms together? |
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I'm taking off an adjustable beam to fix stripped threads in the adjuster .
It will go right back together as soon I run a tap through .
can I take off the spindles AND the torsion arms all together ?
Will the leaves pull out with the spindles and torsion arms attached ?
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Joey Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 5374 Location: Nova Scotia - Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Any tension on the torsion leaves will make it very difficult to remove and impossible to re-assemble. _________________ Joey
‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle |
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5756 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Will the leaves pull out with the spindles and torsion arms attached ? |
Yes, but you'll never get them back in. Like joey sez. Try using a 'bottoming' tap. You might be able to chase the threads without taking anything apart. _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 44 yrs - Plan B: '81 Rabbit Diesel LS Deluxe - Plan C: '72 Ghia
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11114 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Yes... you "can" pull both arms together with the spindle and knuckle attached.
Having an adjustable beam and ball joint makes that easier..
But...as the others have said.. it may not be worth the fight.
I will sometimes just take the two non camber/caster adjustment point arms loose (lower) from the knuckle..
The stripped adjuster topic.... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=608556
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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grandpa pete wrote: |
I'll still have to take the beam off to get at the top adjuster with a tap .
stay tuned
Can I cut the pointed end off a tap |
Cut...eh... grind maybe... but in reality once you pull the lower arms off... and remove the actual short and hidden "grub" screw and slide out the springs, a regular tap will glide right through into the now hollow beam tube so a bottom tap isnt required. .
IMO if the center slug is truly stripped out with no threads, you will most likely have to tap to the next standard size, which means the adjuster slot will need to be enlarged too.
Worst case... simply cut out the adjuster point and install a single new adjuster.
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3673 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: |
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With an adjustable beam it is easy to pull off and reinstall spindles/arms together...
Definitely recommend that you do it that way |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I took out the damaged beam ( one hour and a half )
With the Shocks disconnected at one end I was able to thread one adjuster pointed screw back in .
I called my mechanic friend to ask a question and he told me since I had it out to just bring it to him " before I broke something else ".
This is how an old guy moves heavy stuff .( $ sometimes for work too $ )
2000 pound winch mounted between front seats .
Wireless remote control .
With this ramp and a furniture dolly I can move most anything I want by myself .
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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If all you are dealing with is a stripped hole in the adjuster anchor, why pull the arms or leaves?
Pop off the tie rods and drop the beam down so you can get to things. Probably don't need to even open the brake system if you have a jack or small table to rest the beam on.
But if the hole is stripped, running a tap through it probably isn;t going to help as VOLKSWAGNUT pointed out. You could try installing a helicoil, but i think at this point I would simply replace that center anchor block. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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All Fixed !!
THANKYOU EVERYONE !!
With the front end out I was able to get lower bolt in and Dave tapped the four damaged threads in the upper adjuster and got it back together ; one odd bolt won't hurt anything !
I didn't feel so bad when Dave told me how many times in his career that he has seen this same problem .
Then he told me to never touch it again !
HAPPY GRANDPA
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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And the peasants rejoice...
_________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
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61SNRF Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, good. Now you can go back to where you left off, right?
IIRC, were you not going to try and lower it some...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=608556&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in this or that post, but your adjusters do look like they are about as low as they will go. Are you aware of this?
BTW from your pics this beam looks like maybe an aftermarket Brazilian replacement that probably came with the adjusters factory fitted? And, set up to raise the car rather than lower it too? _________________ -Bruce
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