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Mopar92
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 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: Hewland Mk 9 trans in bug? |
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| Actually it's a 1776 engine in a Speedster kit car. I have a few left over from our formula Ford days. Supposedly these were built around the vw transmission case. Straight cut gears and dog ring boxes make a spoty car so much more fun! Just curious if anybody has put one in their non daily driver? |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Is it anything like a Webster?
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Mopar92
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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I believe it might actually be a Webster... They were the same if I recall. It's been 10 years since we have raced this transmisson style though...
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Glenn
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I have a good friend with a Webster 5 speed that he built many years ago. It's very tiresome to drive on local streets. After letting him drive my Berg 5 he said if he didn't have so much money invested in it he's get a Berg. The Berg drives like a stock tranny, just has a 5th gear.
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gears
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, Websters (Hewland clones) are a PITA to drive on the street. 1st gear is too high, they demand constant attention to shift revs & technique, and they generate noise. They're perfect for what they were designed for, which is high speed track road racing. |
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desertwrx
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| The first gear is not a problem with Hewland type boxes. There are low ratios for them. The big problem is the crunching going into first from a standstill. Maybe a VW clutch might be better for that than a race clutch. A Hewland would be bitchen with all the close ratios you can set up! |
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Mopar92
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The grind only happens if your idling with it in neutral , clutch out, throw in the clutch and in with the gear.... I've been driving formula cars for many years..... They are as user friendly as their owners! Gotta love straight cut gear whine!
I am curious to see if the mounts, dimensions, cv bolt pattern, etc are the same. |
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gears
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| I see that the latest Webster gears and sliders have an improved pent dog tooth design, which are way smoother shifting and much longer lasting than the old flat top design. This newer design also slides into gear from a standstill way nicer than the old style (when gear and slider dogs meet face-to-face). |
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Mopar92
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| There's gotta be an expert here who can tell me what's different... I think the hockey stick is backwards or will have to be made... The trans was mounted upside down and is backwards to stock... |
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vgajames
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| There's gotta be an expert here who can tell me what's different... I think the hockey stick is backwards or will have to be made... The trans was mounted upside down and is backwards to stock... |
A freind of mine used to race Formula Fords and some other cars that had Hewland transaxles.He still has them, he's a collector.Is'nt the ring gear flopped for mid engine set up? For a daily driver i would'nt want it but for road race might be ok. |
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gears
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A Formula Ford would have had the transmission both flipped upside down AND turned around, so the ring gear is likely positioned correctly for use in a Bug.
The Webster shift rails require that a Type II nose cone and hockey stick be used .. so a special front mount must be sourced or made.
The set screw doesn't line up with the original hole, so you've got to deal with that in some manner. |
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Mopar92
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| Front mount as in shift linkage? So we think the ring and pinion are correct though? Thanks |
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| sounds like a blast on the street,wish I had one. |
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gears
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| Front mount as in shift linkage? |
It's been almost 30 years since I ran one in my '67 Bug .. but as I recall, the Type II nose cone is a requirement. Now that I think about it, I'm not certain which hockey stick is used (simple enough to determine). This leaves the hockey stick about 1" too low to meet up with the Type I coupler in any '61 & later Bug.
Take it easy on reverse, as this is weaker than a stock VW reverse. That part of the design is lacking.
The lay bolt running the full length of the hollow mainshaft must be kept from rotating (by inserting something beneath the allen head end plug), or else the rear input shaft will come loose. (My visit to the factory was interesting, to say the least.) |
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