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PROTOTYP Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2009 Posts: 86 Location: Hamburg
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: Engine P- 90028 |
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We are searching about informations about engine P-90028 which is in our possesion. I have some infos about that engine sitting in several cars including a works car, but need to find out if this information is reliable.
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
I can help but this is a difficult one. Please do let me know which chassis number you think had the motor and I can/will tell you what I know.
Steve Heinrichs |
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PROTOTYP Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Steve Heinrichs wrote: |
Hello,
I can help but this is a difficult one. Please do let me know which chassis number you think had the motor and I can/will tell you what I know.
Steve Heinrichs |
Thank you Steve: Story is Strange and I have no documentation
I was told by a previous owner that this Engine was Exchange Engine in number 7 and was also used in number 14. Later Sold to Austria. |
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PROTOTYP Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: |
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PROTOTYP wrote: |
Steve Heinrichs wrote: |
Hello,
I can help but this is a difficult one. Please do let me know which chassis number you think had the motor and I can/will tell you what I know.
Steve Heinrichs |
Thank you Steve: Story is Strange and I have no documentation
I was told by a previous owner that this Engine was Exchange Engine in number 7 and was also used in number 14. Later Sold to Austria. |
My understanding is that it was always a Factory spare Engine and that it was later Sold to Porsche Salzburg |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Hi.
Please tell me your name.
Anyway, I cannot understand quite what you mean by number 7 or 14. Which car?
I also think it was an early spare but went into a spare chassis 12xxx.
Steve Heinrichs |
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PROTOTYP Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Steve Heinrichs wrote: |
Hi.
Please tell me your name.
Anyway, I cannot understand quite what you mean by number 7 or 14. Which car?
I also think it was an early spare but went into a spare chassis 12xxx.
Steve Heinrichs |
Hi Steve
I was told that the Engine was used in spyder 550-007 as a replacement.
Later in the fifties the Engine Went into the Mathe Fetzenflieger.
Best
Thomas Koenig |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi Thomas,
I am certain that 90028 never went into 550-07. 550-07 is a very long story and while one can never be "certain" of much of anything related to Porsche, I think youwill like the 550-07 story in the upcoming book.
Now, if you are also thinking of 550-14.....I do not think so because 550-14 left the "scene" before 90028 was built.
Best,
Steve |
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PROTOTYP Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Steve Heinrichs wrote: |
Hi Thomas,
I am certain that 90028 never went into 550-07. 550-07 is a very long story and while one can never be "certain" of much of anything related to Porsche, I think youwill like the 550-07 story in the upcoming book.
Now, if you are also thinking of 550-14.....I do not think so because 550-14 left the "scene" before 90028 was built.
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Steve |
Thanks Steve
Of course I know about the rumours about 007 . I Spoke a Lot with Marco marinello about this. I know that 007 and 014 doesnt make any sense but as you Said regarding Porsche and also Mathe you Never know
The Story about 014 was similar to 007. Only the Frame has been rebuilt, Engine Went in and so on
I am sure it is all wrong, therefore i try to find Out where 90028 was originally installed before Mathe Put it into his Fetzenflieger
Best
Thomas |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thomas,
550-07 was destroyed as was 550-14. I know the motors that went into them before they were destroyed. And, before 550-07 was destroyed, it had a replacement frame. None of it except a few misc. parts exist today (and most of those on on a spare chassis carrera Speedster builtby Blendl and now in Germany. 550-14 was also destroyed before any need for 90028.
I'm convinced (at the moment at least) that it was 12xxx that got 90028 first.
Best,
Steve |
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Unobtanium-inc Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Steve-
I hope it wasn't 12009, if so I need to get ahold of the Aussi Bloke I sold it to and get it back!!!!
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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12009 was one of the few spares with almost no info. It was sold without a motor. It did go through P production and finished 30 November 1953.
Adam, this was probably the most important Porsche ever built. How could you possibly have sold it?
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Steve |
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Unobtanium-inc Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sez the man who sold Speedster 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. You sir are living in a glass house!
12009 was a fun one, it was saved from becoming a desk, I bought it, got it rolling, an Aussi dude bought it, sent it to Bruce Baker's for the full outlaw, I think it is back in Oz now, but not finished.
Bruce might be able to share some better pics. |
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ensys Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Mr.Heinrichs:
"this was probably the most important Porsche ever built."
(Well, that got my attention.)
Why? _________________ Keep 'em flying...
S.J.Szabo |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Just a little joke to razz Adam.
But, there is a little humor here and none, well, you know.
Ciao,
Steve |
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Unobtanium-inc Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Steve-
Don't worry, if I get something I sell it. Jim at EASY taught me his mantra for selling parts and making a living. It is,
"I am not running a fucking museum, I am selling Porsche Parts, if I have a part and you want to buy it, I will sell it."
Only on rare occasions does something make it into my private collection, because if I kept everything cool, I would be a cool broke dude. |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Adam/All,
Just to be clear---and serious---I do not beleive that there was anything special re 12209 (except, of course, that Adam once owned it).
We'll see if Thomas has some more info that will help. It is interesting trying to sort out these kinds of things.
Steve Heinrichs |
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Steve, I was wondering why you were calling it a replacement chassis, the car I had was 12009, not 12209. |
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Steve Heinrichs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Sorry.
My bad.
12009 was not a replacement. Finished 8 Dec 1952.
Motor 30963 trans 389 H 1.
My apologies.
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PROTOTYP Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Steve Heinrichs wrote: |
Adam/All,
Just to be clear---and serious---I do not beleive that there was anything special re 12209 (except, of course, that Adam once owned it).
We'll see if Thomas has some more info that will help. It is interesting trying to sort out these kinds of things.
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All i have are Several letters from Ernst Piƫch and Porsche Salzburg to Otto Mathe dating from 1956 or 57 (Not sure , have to Check) regarding the Sale of the Engine to Mathe. He also Bought Several other 550 stuff with it like Trans, rims, brake System, early 550 Oil tank etc. all still installed in our Fetzenflieger
.The engine number was mentioned in there so I am quite sure that it was Never installed in a Customer 356. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Thomas...Steve and Adam were just joking (having fun) about the 1952 356 coupe being something very special and rare. Of course, a nice model 356 to have, but it was never installed with a 4-cam motor.
Your inquiry about the Spyder 4-cam motor is interesting though...and you are fortunate to have Steve reply to you about it.
-Michael Doyle- |
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