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Danny t
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Tubbing a perfectly good bus is very wrong indeed . Its the work of a butcher......
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codeMechanic
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| Tubbing a perfectly good bus is very wrong indeed . Its the work of a butcher...... |
don't worry 5 or 10 years when they lose intrest you will be cutting out the excess metal and restoring it back, that is after you drag it out of the weeds in someones back yard
it just makes me think of the late 80s early 90s custom vw jobs , what a nightmare |
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porkchop
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
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crofty
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
Bla, blah, blah. Restoring a bus correctly is far more difficult that any cut and paste or country crock modification.
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porkchop
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
Bla, blah, blah. Restoring a bus correctly is far more difficult that any cut and paste or country crock modification. |
To each their own. I appreciate a resto but I also know what kind of skill it takes to do custom fab work as well. I can tell you that a lot (not all) guys that specialize in restoration wouldn't hold a candle against a guy that can do quality custom fab work. The guy that can custom fab stuff can most likely do the quality resto as well because panel replacement and bolting shit together is the easy job for him.
I can agree that hacked shit is just that, shit. But quality fabrication and custom work is a whole other ballgame. |
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codeMechanic
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
I didn't say anything about not finished, I said in 5 or 10 years when the fad is not popular.
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thom
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| I can tell you that a lot (not all) guys that specialize in restoration wouldn't hold a candle against a guy that can do quality custom fab work. The guy that can custom fab stuff can most likely do the quality resto as well because panel replacement and bolting shit together is the easy job for him. |
Kustom guys get to make it up as they go along - there is no common standard. If they fuck up, they just say "No, I meant to do that" and move on. With a resto, it's either right, or it's not. Period. There is no room for 'artistic impression'
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porkchop
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
I didn't say anything about not finished, I said in 5 or 10 years when the fad is not popular.
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Seems I misunderstood this comment then:
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don't worry 5 or 10 years when they lose intrest you will be cutting out the excess metal and restoring it back, that is after you drag it out of the weeds in someones back yard |
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porkchop
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| I can tell you that a lot (not all) guys that specialize in restoration wouldn't hold a candle against a guy that can do quality custom fab work. The guy that can custom fab stuff can most likely do the quality resto as well because panel replacement and bolting shit together is the easy job for him. |
Kustom guys get to make it up as they go along - there is no common standard. If they fuck up, they just say "No, I meant to do that" and move on. With a resto, it's either right, or it's not. Period. There is no room for 'artistic impression' |
Not if their getting paid to do it how the customer wants. Besides, any real custom guy, whether it's on personal or customer vehicles, don't just roll with shit they fucked up playing it off that they did it on purpose.
My point was this, crofty said that it takes more talent to restore than customize. If the customization is properly done, that statement is BS. I can properly restore a bus if I take the time to do my homework and make sure that shit is correct, but I can also perform some custom fab work. If someone has the skills to perform custom automotive fab work, they also possess the skills to do a quality resto, but that doesn't necessarily work both ways.
It does take skill and patience to do a correct resto but not more than it does to properly customize something. |
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codeMechanic
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| Funny how everyone thinks that if someone would tub a bus, that they are a hack and the bus will get abandoned before it's ever finished. Keep your blinders on boys, wouldn't wanna accidentally step out of your comfort zone........ |
I didn't say anything about not finished, I said in 5 or 10 years when the fad is not popular.
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don't worry 5 or 10 years when they lose intrest you will be cutting out the excess metal and restoring it back, that is after you drag it out of the weeds in someones back yard |
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actually I should say , I have no problem with custom jobs, just when someone complains about it , I know there will be plenty around someday in someones backyard, like there is now
fads come and go, none faster than the hoodride, lol, but it is a fact trends come and go,
good quality jobs are sitting collecting dust because pink neon and cool ad-ons are not popular anymore, think of all the people trying to replace door handles because they got shaved off in the 90s
I'm not trying to dis tubs, I'm just sayin' this too will pass. |
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rubbachicken
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i'm thinking about tubbing my bus,
as i put in the wrong doglegs anyway  i'll do it then
i'm thinking of doing similar to this, although not quite as much, and adjusting the seat frame to ride over the top, rather than lifting the seat frame, and i'll take the tubs closer to the edge and clearance the door {well the insides rotten anyway} to cover the tub, as i'm not running such a narrow'd beam
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Riff Raff
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| [My point was this, crofty said that it takes more talent to restore than customize. |
Actually, he said it is more difficult. I agree with Crotfty - it is more more difficult to do a proper restoration than it is to do a custom job.
They both require talent, but different talents.
I disagree with your statement that anyone that can do custom can do proper resto.
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crofty
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| [My point was this, crofty said that it takes more talent to restore than customize. |
Actually, he said it is more difficult. I agree with Crotfty - it is more more difficult to do a proper restoration than it is to do a custom job.
They both require talent, but different talents.
I disagree with your statement that anyone that can do custom can do proper resto. |
Thanks for actually reading what I wrote, it happens so rarely around here.
Porkchop, as Thom said when doing a restoration there is a standard that HAS to be followed. There's also the ability to locate the correct parts. There's no comparison between say, running an all new narrowed drop spindle front end on a barndoor versus a restored beam as far as effort is concerned.
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porkchop
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| [My point was this, crofty said that it takes more talent to restore than customize. |
Actually, he said it is more difficult. I agree with Crotfty - it is more more difficult to do a proper restoration than it is to do a custom job.
They both require talent, but different talents.
I disagree with your statement that anyone that can do custom can do proper resto. |
Actually, what I said was:
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I can tell you that a lot (not all) guys that specialize in restoration wouldn't hold a candle against a guy that can do quality custom fab work. The guy that can custom fab stuff can most likely do the quality resto as well because panel replacement and bolting shit together is the easy job for him. |
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If someone has the skills to perform custom automotive fab work, they also possess the skills to do a quality resto, but that doesn't necessarily work both ways.
It does take skill and patience to do a correct resto but not more than it does to properly customize something. |
A proper custom job is not just a "hack it till it looks right" job. It requires the skill, patience and vision to incorporate an individuals ideas into an existing design while attempting to make it flow and appear seamless all at the same time. Any good custom guy started as someone doing repairs or restorations and took their skills and vision to the next level to create something individual and unique. |
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66busman
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So why weld a tub on this bus, but leave the rusty dogleg?
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Thanks or actually reading what I wrote, it happens so rarely around here.
Porkchop, as Thom said when doing a restoration there is a standard that HAS to be followed. There's also the ability to locate the correct parts. There's no comparison between say, running an all new narrowed drop spindle front end on a barndoor versus a restored beam as far as effort is concerned. |
I think it's also important to define the word "restoration" - to me, it's not a set of TMI seat covers, a 12v conversion and a 1600DP and an Earl Scheib paint job. A proper restoration takes a hell of a lot of research and attention to detail that most people simply can't pull off.
Customizers do have to do quality work, but the only standard they have to live up to is whatever looks good to them. |
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codeMechanic
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So why weld a tub on this bus, but leave the rusty dogleg? |
the customer is always right |
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porkchop
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| [My point was this, crofty said that it takes more talent to restore than customize. |
Actually, he said it is more difficult. I agree with Crotfty - it is more more difficult to do a proper restoration than it is to do a custom job.
They both require talent, but different talents.
I disagree with your statement that anyone that can do custom can do proper resto. |
Thanks or actually reading what I wrote, it happens so rarely around here.
Porkchop, as Thom said when doing a restoration there is a standard that HAS to be followed. There's also the ability to locate the correct parts. There's no comparison between say, running an all new narrowed drop spindle front end on a barndoor versus a restored beam as far as effort is concerned. |
I am not real big on "standards" because I would rather the bus fit my individual tastes and desires, but that's just me! I am not arguing the fact that a correct resto takes dedication and level of patience and attention to details that most do not possess. But, I am also talking about true custom work here, not buying parts off of the shelf and bolting them on, as you are referring to with your beam reference. I fabricate and build my own stuff when it is something that I possess the talent to do and can tell you that it is more difficult to design your own than to restore/follow the same design carried out on millions of other vehicles around the world. |
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porkchop
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So why weld a tub on this bus, but leave the rusty dogleg? |
I wouldn't have welded that tub on it in the first place. It doesn't appear that it would perform the function of a proper tub. But, to answer the question at hand, it appears that the owner was going for function not form. |
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dieselnut
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Ironically, I'll bet the seller of the bus pictured immediately above this post mentions the word "original" at least 10 times in his ad, probably more. He really stresses it. I concur, original rocks.  |
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