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Boomsma
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With some patience and some wizardry id bet most all of them can be saved. Ive seen some roasted cars put back on the road. Its all in the metal work of course. Dipping whats left then determining what was overheated to the point of no return. That schwim looks savable to me. Get it torn down and get to work. For sure dont scrap them. Offer up for someone to take on and fix. The outcome will surprise you.  |
What a disaster, what an awfull picture of that schwimmwagen  .
I hate to see burnt classic vehicles  it looks to me they are lost forever.
But when I read this quote from mightymouse I feel a littlebit releaved.
Is it really possible to restore a burnt car like this schwimmer?
I cannot imagen that but I never restored a car so for me it is defenitly impossible  .
I hope that you're right mightymouse, I really do, a car like this deserves it   |
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bugman1955
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| I hope these Schwimmers are restored again and not sent to the scrap heap. |
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campingbox 
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Two years ago we had a building burn down and we lost a '57 subhatch Westfalia camper, which is considerably rarer than a schwimmwagen. It was aweful, and left me sick to my stomach for nearly a year afterwards. I still haven't gotten over it.
That schwimmer is a total loss, no amount of money can restore it. For the people saying it can be brought back, they seriously have no idea how devestating a building fire is to the integrity of the vehicle. You might be able to beat the body back into shape, trowell a 1/4" of bondo on it and get it looking realively straight, but that vehicle can never fully recover from damage like that.
Storage insurance without a stated value can be bought relatively cheap. I pay $13 for 6-months on a $15,000 vehicle. I pay $6 for 6-months on a $6,000 vehicle. Stated value policies are better, but considerably more expensive. |
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campingbox
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But if not, IMO, you just have to pick a "walk away" $$ amount and feel comfortable that if you lost the vehicle, you could be happy with that amount and probably go buy something else with.
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Insurance companies aren't going to pay out what it's worth "to you", they are going to pay what it's worth on the open market or what the replacement cost is. Sure, on a stated value policy you can state a value for more than the car is worth, but don't expect that they will approve your application if they can't substantiate the value. |
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59 dormi
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well even as a non driving museum piece it still can be saved
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vwraymund
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Hello
Good news and some bad news.
The bad news is.
I was so hot, that several engines and gear boxes,
even the one in the swimmer were melted into one big lump of metal.
Also some cars were totally destroyed
The good news is that the swimmer is going to Germany to an specialist,
who is going to save what can be saved.
I will try to give an update if there is any progress on the swimmer.
Gr Raymund |
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mightymouse
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Hello
Good news and some bad news.
The bad news is.
I was so hot, that several engines and gear boxes,
even the one in the swimmer were melted into one big lump of metal.
Also some cars were totally destroyed
The good news is that the swimmer is going to Germany to an specialist,
who is going to save what can be saved.
I will try to give an update if there is any progress on the swimmer.
Gr Raymund |
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johnshenry
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But if not, IMO, you just have to pick a "walk away" $$ amount and feel comfortable that if you lost the vehicle, you could be happy with that amount and probably go buy something else with.
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Insurance companies aren't going to pay out what it's worth "to you", they are going to pay what it's worth on the open market or what the replacement cost is. Sure, on a stated value policy you can state a value for more than the car is worth, but don't expect that they will approve your application if they can't substantiate the value. |
All of my cars are insured for stated values 15-35% over what I would consider the current market values. In the event of a total loss, they will pay the stated amount, it is written in the contract. I have never had any problems requesting coverage amounts without substantiation once I had a relationship with the insurance company.
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Mr Slug
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An update on this thread for those that are interested.
The schwimmer found its way to ebay, I placed a successful bid and it is now back at my home in the UK awaiting restoration.
The damage is extreme - but I believe repairable. The worst part is the rear end behind the engine firewall. The steel in that area appears to have been tempered by the extreme heat and made brittle. I believe this may be because the oil in the gearbox acted both as an accelerant raiseing the temperature locally, and a quenching medium.
The firewall offered some protection forward, and the steel there is not brittle or hardened.
Basicly, I believe the front end, top deck, floor, chassis and about 75% of the sides are salvageable. The rear panel, engine cowling and rear firewall will need to be totally refabricated and replaced.
It is a major undertaking that will be started at some time in the next year or two. In the short term the vehicle is to be thoroughly cleaned and oiled to preserve what is left, while parts are sourced ready for the restoration.
Any assistance with spare parts would be grastefully received.
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johnshenry
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Wow. 
Best of luck to you. Do you by chance know the Grundmanns from Germany? 
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beetleseb
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Just looking at that warped wheel and springplate scares me
Be fun to watch the resto!!
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aa390392
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| burn victims of any typ are horrendous and leave everyone scared by the devastation. good luck with the rebuild |
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bugman56
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thank you mr slug my hat is off to you. best of luck.
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ratbug56
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An update on this thread for those that are interested.
The schwimmer found its way to ebay, I placed a successful bid and it is now back at my home in the UK awaiting restoration.
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and someone already found you a motor...http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=414225
good luck!
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beetleseb
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Whereabouts are you in the UK, I'd love to have a noise if your anywhere near cheltenham and are thinking of having an open day
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Mr Slug
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I may well be Seb a little later in the year. I have been building a replica 166 from a '68 Beetle and may have a BBQ to celebrate the launch - we will see.
Thanks to everyone for the encouragement and well wishing with this future project. I have asked about the engine in the classifieds, but it seems it is open for offers - I hate that method of selling, kinda like a closed auction where the seller holds all the cards without having the gonads to straight out ask a price.
Thanks again chaps, |
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overrestored
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it's kind of cool as it sits. It would be an interesting museum exhibit at a vintage VW museum.
There is a wrecked Porsche speedster in a glass box at the Sinsheim museum http://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/ that has been preserved in it's wrecked state.
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r39o
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But if not, IMO, you just have to pick a "walk away" $$ amount and feel comfortable that if you lost the vehicle, you could be happy with that amount and probably go buy something else with.
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Insurance companies aren't going to pay out what it's worth "to you", they are going to pay what it's worth on the open market or what the replacement cost is. Sure, on a stated value policy you can state a value for more than the car is worth, but don't expect that they will approve your application if they can't substantiate the value. |
All of my cars are insured for stated values 15-35% over what I would consider the current market values. In the event of a total loss, they will pay the stated amount, it is written in the contract. I have never had any problems requesting coverage amounts without substantiation once I had a relationship with the insurance company. |
FYI: Words to the wise:
You should VERY CLEARLY understand the difference between a "stated" value and an "agreed" value policy. |
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kombicol
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You limeys are nucking futs!! Good luck!
Is that white fiberous material aesbestos? About the only thing that would survive a fire of that intensity I would think. Might want to get it removed before you start work on it. |
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MDKG
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I may well be Seb a little later in the year. I have been building a replica 166 from a '68 Beetle and may have a BBQ to celebrate the launch - we will see.
Thanks to everyone for the encouragement and well wishing with this future project. I have asked about the engine in the classifieds, but it seems it is open for offers - I hate that method of selling, kinda like a closed auction where the seller holds all the cards without having the gonads to straight out ask a price.
Thanks again chaps, |
This is claimed to be a 1943 kubel engine and has been for sale here for quite a while. Don’t know if it still is and I don’t know the seller but maybe worth to check out?
Lot’s of luck with the build! |
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