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VolksWorld2000
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 Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: Spanish Weber Idf vs Chinese EMPI HPMX???? |
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How are the new EMPI carbs and will they be anyhting like the the IDFs were?
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And the real question is: For those of us that already have the Spanish ones, will parts from Empi work?
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Jake Raby
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I am still trying to get a set of carbs from EMPI to evaluate side by side a New Weber and an Italian Weber in a R&D shootout.
I have found someone with a set of 44 HPMX carbs that is willing to send them on down for the big test!
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Bugzlife
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same friggin thing
Weber's New owners just gave them permission(and sold them a portion of production) to build the same thing over here or where-ever, using the same molds that cost Millions of dollars to make, just put in a little neat-o stamp (made in Chinea, & Empi) or etc.
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VolksWorld2000
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| DurocShark wrote: |
| And the real question is: For those of us that already have the Spanish ones, will parts from Empi work? |
I want to believe that the jets and vents would probally be the same.
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VolksWorld2000
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Bugzlife wrote: |
same friggin thing
Weber's New owners just gave them permission(and sold them a portion of production) to build the same thing over here or where-ever, using the same molds that cost Millions of dollars to make, just put in a little neat-o stamp (made in Chinea, & Empi) or etc. |
If we look at the past, place of production has a direct conection to quality. Just compare Italian Webers to Spanish Webers. Original USA EMPI to new foreign EMPI crap. These examples cannot be overlooked.
However, my question is concerning these carbs.
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VolksWorld2000
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Jake Raby wrote: |
I am still trying to get a set of carbs from EMPI to evaluate side by side a New Weber and an Italian Weber in a R&D shootout.
I have found someone with a set of 44 HPMX carbs that is willing to send them on down for the big test! |
If they turn out to be horrible, than will I always have look for a set of Webers everytime I build a new engine?
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DurocShark
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My concern is this: I have a brand new pair of Spanish 40 IDFs. If I was to run them, then 4 years from now swallow a seagull and need a new horn or something, would the Chinese parts available be worth messing with.
If not, maybe I should decide now before going through the trouble of installing and tuning.
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VolksWorld2000
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| DurocShark wrote: |
My concern is this: I have a brand new pair of Spanish 40 IDFs. If I was to run them, then 4 years from now swallow a seagull and need a new horn or something, would the Chinese parts available be worth messing with.
If not, maybe I should decide now before going through the trouble of installing and tuning. |
Chinese companys are known for trying to save a buck or two. This means finder cheaper forms of production. In many cases quality has been the big compromise. With VW this usually means parts not fitting correctly or becoming screwed up easily. EMPI already has a terrible reputation for making parts that have to be squeezed or forced on.
When you evaluate it from this aspect, it isn't hard to predict whats next.
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vgajames
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| VolksWorld2000 wrote: |
If they turn out to be horrible, than will I always have look for a set of Webers everytime I build a new engine? |
The Spainish made "Weber"will be back soon and i'm still being told by Weber North America that late this month or early to mid August a Sanford NC USA made "Weber" will be available.I have not had hands on the Empi carbs and have no plans at present to do so either.I hope soon many carbs will be available to us and perhaps what we saw in low cost forged cranks flooding the market may also apply to carbs(?) We'll just have to wait and see.  |
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pike
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| how about the 48idas, anyone heard anything bad about them?? |
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vgajames
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| how about the 48idas, anyone heard anything bad about them?? |
The latest runs of 48 IDA's was a one time mass run also done by Weber North America.They own the tooling that was used to make them.Suposedly many of them are still in large quantity's for sales to the various distributors. |
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pike
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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the ones i bought came from vee dubs but there was no orgin of manufacture though,
thanks for the info
i'll run em and let you know!! |
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RonR
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: EMPI/CHINA carbs |
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| Set up the first pair of EMPI 44mm carbs this morning. 2 litre motor. Seemed a little different than a set of Webers. Came in ok though. |
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VolksWorld2000
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI/CHINA carbs |
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| RonR wrote: |
| Set up the first pair of EMPI 44mm carbs this morning. 2 litre motor. Seemed a little different than a set of Webers. Came in ok though. |
What seamed different about them? Are they as good as Webers? Were there anything that seamed better about them?
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| Then read up.. it's all over these forums.. you are reading two year old information. |
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One thing I know for sure is the EMPI 40idf OUTSIDE DIAMETER of the venturi is not the same as the Weber 40 idf.
IIRC the EMPI 40 idf venturi OUTSIDE DIAMETER is the same as a Weber 44 idf.
I had a pair, they ran ok on my Type III but I had other engine issues and pulled them off.
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| I have been running the empi 40 hpmx carbs now for about 4000 miles with out any problems except that I had to set the float levels when i first set them up I bought them new for 529.00 all the jets and emulsion tubes interchange with weber idf's and it looks like everything else will too I am very happy with them so far......69x92 engle 120 37.5 x 35.5 valves. |
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