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Matt Miller
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 Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: which cam lifters? |
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sorry if this is a repeat post. i've looked around but can't find my answer.
i'm installing an engle w-110 in my engine and i can't determine which set of lifters to use. is the cam designed to go with the stock lifters? is it best to call engle and see what they recommend?
as many people that are out there that run this cam, finding the answers should be easy. |
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keifernet
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mharney
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Many lifters are a crap shoot. I might suggest trying the CB lightweight lifters.. They sound promising. Scats have a nasty habit of disintegrating.
Get em, Keif. |
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keifernet
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Years ago I used Scat and never had a problem... then I got out of building engines for a few years around 2000 and have heard all the things about bad batches etc.
I spoke to my sales rep Ron at Scat a few weeks ago and he stated that there was a problem with a batch or maybe more who knows... and that it has been taken care of.... for what ever that is worth.
I built a couple of engines in the last year or so with some lifters I still had in stock and the packages were dated 1998 and 1999 and I did not have a problem. Or at least have not heard of one yet.... These were not the lube a lobe lifters obviously.
I went ahead and got a new set and when I build this engine I will see for myself if they crap out as it is going in a tube frame rail buggy that I will keep tabs on and tear it down if something goes south. |
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Matt Miller
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hey keifer... thanks for showing me threads of what lifter NOT to use.
you have been most helpful. |
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timmy74006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: |
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How good are new Bilstein Brazilian lifters straight out of the box?
Tim |
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lostinbaja
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CB Performance just reintroduced their 2 piece lifter. The original CB, 2 pc. lifters worked very well and I never had an issue in 20 or so engines I used them in. CB Performance claims they are being produced exactly the same way as they used to make them. If this is the case they should work very well.
I will be using them in my next engine.
Here is the Scat cam and Scat lube-A-Lobe lifters that I took out of my 1914 after less then 1500 miles.
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keifernet
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hey keifer... thanks for showing me threads of what lifter NOT to use.
you have been most helpful. |
Well... along with what NOT to use there were suggestions as to what TO use or at least some choices no????
Only you can decide what brand/type/manufacture to run. Just offering up some food for thought.
Maybe some of the other 'many people' running the engle 110 will chime in.
I have used Scat that were manufactured before the bad ones as I said and I have used German stock and Febi lifters, Mahle too.... none of these engines were real high performance/RPM large displacement engines though. And I have never had the pitting problem or flat cam/lifter issues. After reading alot of posts I consider myself lucky in that respect.
Sorry if you think I am not trying to be helpful here.  |
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| I am a die hard fan of O.E. reground German lifters. I use them all the time and NEVER have a problem. Now here is a question for the other builders out there. I just looked at the picture above and noticed only the lifters on the one lobe are dead......has anyone else noticed that on engines before? I have seen it with all different brands of lifters and they all have looked like that only on that lobe. |
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lostinbaja
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| I am a die hard fan of O.E. reground German lifters. I use them all the time and NEVER have a problem. Now here is a question for the other builders out there. I just looked at the picture above and noticed only the lifters on the one lobe are dead......has anyone else noticed that on engines before? I have seen it with all different brands of lifters and they all have looked like that only on that lobe. |
I have no doubt the other lobes would have followed suit since there was some very slight pitting in the other cam lobes. Since it was a new engine and I started seeing the oil getting dirty faster then I thought it should I decided to tear it down and find the problem before it destroyed the entire engine. As it was I had to replce the cam, lifters, all the bearings, the oil pump and clean all the oil galleries with a brush to get all the worn lifter material out of the engine.
Jerry...
I reassembled the engine with a Web 86C cam SLR'd Lube-A-Lobe lifters and Aircooed.net aluminum pushrods. The engine has 4000 miles on it and the oil stays nice and clean. The Manx that the engine is in ran a 12.51 1/4 mile this past summer. |
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Alan_U
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just an observation on the picture above you'll notice that the pitted lifters are on the intake lobe. Valve float could have contributed to that pitted mess!!
I'd say virtually all engines I've seen that have been cracked open for maintenance have pits on those splat/scat lifters. Bad enough to flatten the cam lobes.
those are pictures of mine with aprox 5000kms on them.
I'm sorry but I think everyone that has used those things were unlucky to get the "bad batch"  Bad batch.....whatever. I'd say so far 100% of all engines with dual springs will look like a mess after some miles. If you like to commonly take apart an engine every 3000 miles or so (due to maintenance) the scats will work for you  Unfortunately you'll need to buy a new cam and a new set of lifters every time you see the pitted lifters in that short duration of time.
I'll be using these lifters soon on my extra 2332 shortblock. Udo Becker's German tool steel lifters. Suppose to be like the old weizman tool steel lifters.
I'll do bearing maintenance way before I worry about pits. I'll also probably swap a cam and use the same lifters just for the sake of stress on the clearancing areas of the cam shaft.
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mharney
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| I'm developing a theory about pitting. I want to know WHO with aluminum pushrods has had lifters pit out. |
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Kanzapanzer
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Where can a guy get the SLR lifters?
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John M.
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| John at Aircooled.net offers SLR resurfacing on all of the lifters he sells... |
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Thanks John.
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I use SLR reground German lifters in ALL my engines, personal cars and customer projects. Yet to see any failures, pitting, etc. I also have used Weissmans that are reground, have a set right now to be used with a SLR XR324 for a 2332cc.
I'd go to the source Steve Long Racing cams for lifters, I don't have Steve's info with me, but can post later if someone doesn't beat me to it.
I used Bilstein/FEBI red white box lifters in a W-120 & 1.25 rocker combo and had one of the intake lifters shatter at the head. May have been valve float related, no pitting on those lifters after 3,000 miles though.
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