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jacobroger Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2005 Posts: 69 Location: Pawleys island s.c
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: dual carbs or single? |
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I have a 73 westy with a new 2 litre I have a set of 40mm kadrons and also a nice weber single. I am thinking about putting the single on the bus and putting the duals on my 69 beetle. Any suggestions?
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26535 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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In my experinece, I've found that on Buses, duals always are better then single carbs. The long unheated manifolds that single carbs have on there often require that you over-jet the carb to make it run decently, which results in poor fuel economy - especially on the type 4 Bus motors. If you have the proper linkage for type 4, I'd put the duals on there.
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Schmoburger Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Under a Kombi in Tomerong, NSW, Australia... MATE!!!
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yep.. if it aint broke dont fixe it.
A lot of peope on AVD seem to complain about Webbers being a pain in the clacker... |
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barefootwestie Samba Member

Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Johns Island, SC
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have a single Weber on my '73 from the PO and I am going back to the dual Solex's. BTW, where in York do you live? I graduated in Rock Hill and worked in York for quite a few years. _________________ My Bus Restoration Blog
https://myvolkswagenbus.com/
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myk648 Samba Member

Joined: November 12, 2002 Posts: 550 Location: Xenia, Ohio
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I too am swithching back to duals. The bus I just bought has a weber progressive on it. I'm going to a set of solex's. |
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TimGud Samba Member

Joined: March 03, 2002 Posts: 6459 Location: Rio Rico Arizona
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've worked on a couple of buses with a weber single carb on them. Stick with the duals! |
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honeybus Samba Member

Joined: August 06, 2002 Posts: 480 Location: Aldie, Virginia
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Schmoburger wrote: |
Yep.. if it aint broke dont fixe it.
A lot of peope on AVD seem to complain about Webbers being a pain in the clacker... |
What is "AVD"
barry _________________ More than I need -
'78 Westy ... purchased 11 Dec 06 ($9,000); sand blasted/primered 7 Jan 07 ($1,200); body shop 3 Apr 07 ($2,000); paint shop 7 Nov 07 ($6,000); home 22 Apr 08; started TLC 28 Aug 08; got very first sign of life 8 Jun 2010; Run about 1,000 miles in Florida in May 2011; 1,600 miles road trip Orlando-Key West-Aldie Virginia 10-26 Mar 2020 (COVID-19 started)
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26535 Location: Douglas, WY
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clearsurf2001 Samba Vaccinator

Joined: February 26, 2004 Posts: 1671 Location: Dave-AKA-fortyeye-Oceanside, Ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Schmoburger wrote: |
a pain in the clacker... |
That about sums it up. Progressive or IDF ... centermount singles rank a distant second to almost any dual setup. Mileage, drivability, and power ... duals can't be beat (except with F.I.) ... so I guess singles rank a distant third ... _________________ Get ready for the injection
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MrBreeze Samba Hitman

Joined: October 06, 2002 Posts: 5644 Location: Lawn Guyland, Noo Yawk
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, I guess I'll add to the common thinking....
My '73 had been converted to a single and I HATED it. I had bought duals to put on, but sold it before I got the chance.
Of course, we all know FI is the way to go anyways  _________________ -=Rob
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DurocShark Samba Member

Joined: April 05, 2004 Posts: 6635 Location: Crappy town in a crappy state. But the beach is nearby, so I have that going for me.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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jacobroger: I just emailed you
Keep the Kads! You'll be happier! I believe Bottomend is running the same carbs and is happy with them... _________________ No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. |
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pyrOman Fire Master

Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12552 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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The milage I get out of the 30pict "bicycle" carb on the Gutless Wonder is incredible!
But nothing beats the quick response of dual carbs, specially on a bus!
Had a progressive Webber on the "million mile motor" while it was in the '70 bug. Did excellent, but that carb on the bus always left something to be desired.
But how about this: go ahead and do the changes and experience for yourself the difference.  _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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Zeen Samba Member

Joined: July 24, 2004 Posts: 1310 Location: The Sunny Part of Michigan
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Do a search on "icing" before you put a single on the bus. The Type 4 is wider, which means longer runners, which means more prone to icing. You'd be better off putting the single on the beetle engine. _________________ The consequences of your decisions should not be confused with fate. |
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HereToGo Samba Member

Joined: April 17, 2001 Posts: 142
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I keep reading that a single carb is generally bad news for a Type IV, but has anyone devised a carb heat box for the progressive, similar to an aviation engine setup? Leave one end open for intake air, put a flapper valve on it and a cable to regulate the heat from the dashboard.
For the exhaust end, I guess a box could be made to go around the muffler or just let the hose collect the heat like a type I setup.
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fido Samba Member

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 155 Location: Norwich, England
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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nice link for that here:
http://crank.org.uk/carb/
I went from weber single to twin dells. Never looked back - world of difference. _________________ 73 Westy
Automatic trans
1700 W case
36 DRLA's
vanagon distributer / elecronic ignition
Thunderbird 4:1 / QP
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Duncwarw Samba Member

Joined: August 25, 2003 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Fido, thanks for the link.
As for "Icing", I haven't personally found it to be much of a problem and it has been pretty cold here. At its very worst (about 18°), idle was tricky and it felt like it had a 009 on it. On the road though, not bad.
I have a progressive on a 2L with NO pre-heater and I didn't even fit the bar from the case.
I suspect, like anything else, people who have had real trouble with a progressive, have had other problems too.
No doubt the duals would be better, but the Progressive has a reputation it doesn't deserve. IMHO... _________________ “To find yourself, think for yourself”
Socrates, 470 BC - 399 BC |
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