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mrlimbo
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 Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: Super tin opinion |
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Hi gang,
I'm just looking for opinions about the so called 'super tin'. You know that tin that can be mounted under the cylinders. I think it was stock on the type 3 engine. I'm just curious if it actually works or if its just a band aid for a poorly sealed engine.
I was thinking of putting a set on my 67 bus. Its basically stock and I've made sure that all the tin, seals and even the thermostat are in place and working. The engine doesn't run hot, but if the tin is worth the effort, every little bit helps. Thanks for your time.
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Super Tin = Type 3 ?
Type 1 should use Type 1 tin.
Type 3 should use Type 3 tin.
If it was better VW would of used it on Type 1s.
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Alan_U
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I put some taiwan special cool tin on my 2332. On my other new 2332 longblock on the engine stand I put some swap meet special original OE cool tin. Cost a whole $1 at the swap and with some quick sandblasting and rattle can its like new again.
I couldn't put the type 1 sleds on my engines because.......just because.
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mrlimbo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| Super Tin = Type 3 ?. |
VW used it on the type 3 engine, they called them 'deflector plates' part number 113-119-451. Long obsolete from VW. (I found the part number on an old microfische dated 1982) I figure some yahoo must have tried it on a type one, saw they worked to help cool a poorly sealed engine and then as a way to sell them called them 'super tin'.
| Glenn wrote: |
| If it was better VW would of used it on Type 1s. |
My thought exactly. I just thought if it actually dropped the engine temp even just a few degrees, it might be worth the effort.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Some R & D done showed that they actually made the cyls hotter on a type 1 upright engine. |
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pdub
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Plus on offroad cars they just collect more crap in them and then you really run hot. Off road guys use the smaller "stock" ones as they dont collect as much junk and they are small enough to pull/wash out out the weeds, leaves and mud etc. |
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gt1953
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Has any one here, engine builders or whom ever actually invested the time and tried "the tins" on the same engine in a vehicle same conditions and have a comparison so we can all refer to the post and put this to bed once and for all.
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Midwest aircooled
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You need to look at the entire picture of how the engine is set up. If your running all the stock Type 1 tin such as the three piece lower tin that screws to the cyl shrouds and heat boxes, as well as the small lower deflectors that screw to the cyl tins below the breast plate, its not going to be any better than that. On the other hand, if you have a large engine running a merged header with no space for all the original lower tin, the type three tin helps to direct air around the cylinder for more even cooling now that you dont have the original Type 1 tin to do it. In those cases I would be willing to bet its an improvement over having nothing but the stock small cool tins.
Just my .02
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Glenn
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| vwjunkie53 wrote: |
You need to look at the entire picture of how the engine is set up. If your running all the stock Type 1 tin such as the three piece lower tin that screws to the cyl shrouds and heat boxes, as well as the small lower deflectors that screw to the cyl tins below the breast plate, its not going to be any better than that. On the other hand, if you have a large engine running a merged header with no space for all the original lower tin, the type three tin helps to direct air around the cylinder for more even cooling now that you dont have the original Type 1 tin to do it. In those cases I would be willing to bet its an improvement over having nothing but the stock small cool tins.
Just my .02
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Berg GB933S is a 1-5/8" with #1 and #3 pipes moved it. It clears all the stock tin and thermostat. You can use 73 Thing tin to close off the gap left from no heater boxes.
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Eaallred
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Super tin opinion |
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| mrlimbo wrote: |
I was thinking of putting a set on my 67 bus. . |
If you want to know how to maximize the cooling on a splitty bus, do a search on "engine bay vacuum".
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Midwest aircooled
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I didn't say it was best for every combination. In some cases, such as mine, I'm running a 1-3/4" large flange pheonix header and there is no room for tin other than stock type 1 or the type 3. I'm running comp eliminator heads and 10:1 compression on the street without melting down, so it must working...
Jason
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jamestwo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Agree. Type 3 tin is better then just the batwings on a type one. if running a merged header, the type 3 tin is cheap and effective.
| vwjunkie53 wrote: |
You need to look at the entire picture of how the engine is set up. If your running all the stock Type 1 tin such as the three piece lower tin that screws to the cyl shrouds and heat boxes, as well as the small lower deflectors that screw to the cyl tins below the breast plate, its not going to be any better than that. On the other hand, if you have a large engine running a merged header with no space for all the original lower tin, the type three tin helps to direct air around the cylinder for more even cooling now that you dont have the original Type 1 tin to do it. In those cases I would be willing to bet its an improvement over having nothing but the stock small cool tins.
Just my .02
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mrlimbo
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Thanks for the tips. These links were very helpful. My suspictions are confirmed. I'm not actually having a cooling issue with my bus, I just thought that if the 'super tin' improved cooling at all, I'd try it. Now I know not to waste my time. Thanks again.
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