New Jersey Hot Rod and Custom bill

[79SuperVert]

There's a bill pending in the NJ legislature to help builders of custom vehicles title their vehicles. In it there is one provision that doesn't seem to make sense: to allow kit cars and replicas to be titled with the same year as the vehicle they are replicating.

This provision doesn't seem to belong in this bill because I don't think kit cars and replicas are street rods nor customs. In addition it doesn't seem to make sense that a Porsche kit car replica that might have been manufactured in kit form in the 70's, for instance, should be titled as a '50's Porsche.

What do you think? Here's the email I got from Hagerty's about it:

-----Original Message-----
From: Hagerty News [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:06 PM
To: Garcia, Joseph R. (Financial Services)
Subject: New Jersey Hot Rod and Custom Bill


New Jersey Street Rod and Custom Bill



Pro-Hobbyist Street Rod and Custom Vehicle Bill
Introduced in New Jersey

SEMA model legislation (A.B. 2836) that would create a vehicle registration classification for street rods and custom vehicles and provide for special license plates for these vehicles was introduced in the New Jersey Assembly. Introduced by State Assemblymembers Charlotte Vandervalk and Gary Chiusano, A.B. 2836 defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured before 1949 and a custom as an altered vehicle at least 25 years old and manufactured after 1948. The bill allows kit cars and replica vehicles to be assigned a certificate of title bearing the same model year designation the body of the vehicle most closely resembles. We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Law and Public Safety Committee (List Attached Below) Immediately to Request Their Support for A.B. 2836

A.B. 2836 provides specific registration/titling classes and license plates for street rods and customs.


A.B. 2836 only holds street rods and customs to the equipment standards specified by law during the model year listed on the title of the vehicle.


A.B. 2836 provides that a replica vehicle will be assigned the same model year designation as the production vehicle it most closely resembles.

A.B. 2836 permits street rods and custom vehicles to display blue dot taillights.


A.B. 2836 provides that vehicles titled and registered as street rods and custom vehicles may be used for occasional transportation, exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, etc. and not for general daily transportation.

New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee

Assemblymember Gordon Johnson - Chair
Phone: 201/541-1118
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[Dale M.]

Man don't fight it........ Its in OUR favor.....

Buddy is building a Porsche RSK replica and it will be licensed and a 1956 Porsche "replica" and it will be SMOG exempt. in Calif.

We all want to be able to license our builds.... I would be quite happy with a 2008 build of a "1970 MANX" replica, licensed as a 1970....

Dale
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[79SuperVert]

Here's Hagerty's response to my remarks. Guess it is not as bad as I thought. I should have read through the legislation on my own.

"The bill requires that the phrase “Replica-Custom Motor Vehicle” or “Replica-Street Rod” be conspicuously printed at the top of the certificate of ownership.
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A3000/2836_I1.HTM

I think it's a very safe bill that is of benefit to hobbyists who otherwise might have great difficulty registering and titling vehicles. "
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[90volts]

i think the year of the kit should be the chassis year.

but...i also think that to be fair, you cannot have a "32 ford" that is fiberglass body and/or on a newer chassis / tube chassis and still be able to be registered as a 32 either. shouldn't be able to be registered a street rod either.

thats a kit just as much as a dune buggy or a bradley

in any case, it may be a good idea to take the good with the bad. it is undoubtably better than the system today.

[Dale M.]

[79SuperVert]

[Dale M.]

But according to the Legislative Bill........ It has to state its a "replica" or "custom"...

Sheesh, one of my buggies is licensed as a "Specially Constructed". (SPCN)...... What the hell does that mean to buyer....... That "title" is on my 1970 (actually built in 1970) but that "title" is also available today, for "vehicles " going through licensing process.... Only it would read SPCN 2008..

Pretty much not going to let me get to you...... You are causing issues where none really exist.... This Bill would not aid or or help unscrupulous seller and its is sort of "guaranteed" by the state what vehicles "pedigree" is....

Dale
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[Flat4Tom]

[kustoms]

79supervert said,
"I don't think kit cars and replicas are street rods nor customs."


That line was a joke, Right?
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[79SuperVert]

[Dale M.]

Seems to me you are confusing all the different terms being brandied about for the same thing....

They are all hand built design for one's personal pleasure.... Unless you are going to fabricate or layup a one of the kind body and chassis, all are "custom" or "replica" ....Anything built on a original chassis with a original steel body (like my associates 32 Ford roadster) would be a true "vintage" car....

Your personal opinion of a particular "car type" may be getting in the way of getting some meaningful legislation passed that will help hundreds of builders get their personal "projects" on the road so all their effort is rewarded by being able to register it and drive free from worry about registration issues and "John law"...

I dare you to stand up at a world class car auction an point at somebodies $150,000 Cobra replica and shout out, "its only a kit car".....

Dale
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[BL3Manx]

[HeidelbergJohn4.0]

I'd venture to say 75% of the so called Street Rod 32 Fords on the road are nothing more than KITS. figerglass bodies on custom chassis with kit motors and pre packaged suspensions.

What drives me nuts is a fiberglass 32 ford body on a home assembled frame with a 400 hp big block is hunkey dory, but a dune buggy on a stock VW chassis with a 40 hp engine is too dangerous for the road?

It doesn't matter to me when someone builds it or what they call it. If someone can't tell an authentic 55 speedster from a fiberglass reproduction, they deserve to loose their shirt. They can probably afford it anyway.

I don't care if you call a car a "reproduction", a "kit car" or a "street rod". I just want to be able to TITLE, INSURE and DRIVE IT!!
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[90volts]

there is a bill in PA where they are doing something along those lines. 'show car' registration. supposedly any classic car (15 years old i guess) primarily used for shows, parades, etc will be able to get the registration. one time inspection and even then just the safety inspection done by the nation hot rod assoc (they do them at good guys shows for free). and thats way less than even the state safety inspection! thatd be great to be able to get a car on the road so easily - for the consciencious types who will actually keep their cars in good working order. but not requiring an inspection yearly, or even every two years, is just an accident waiting to happen. i am hoping it doesn't go through even though it would make my life way easier.

[caseydenise]

let it pass, I'm hardly legal now-

[73SpeedBuggy]

[Letterman7]

Doesn't California have something similar in legislation? If memory serves, Coddington got in heaps of trouble both from the state and the IRS for building his coupes (fiber bodies/custom chassis) and selling them as '32 Fords or whatever they were. I can't remember the details, but there was money being "lost" by the state registering the cars as older than they actually were.

R

[90volts]

[burn-z]

Wow I guess Mass is a really strict state. My big issue would be the emissions. Building a buggy with all the right frame and safety features is nothing according to the RMV. The issue is that if I build a KIT car today it has to meet current smog emmisions. Therefore, no air cooled engine. That is why here it is a big deal to have a title before you start the build. I say help it through and maybe it will migrate to other states.

[79SuperVert]

I have to say my perspective on this question has changed considerably after reading all your responses. It seems to really be about registration and titling rules that were never intended to apply to this class of vehicle, which is very small compared to the majority of cars out on the road. Thanks for the education.
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