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Mattias_A
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 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: Oil Filter Installation in a 1964 Ghia |
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Hello everyone. I've started a engine change in my ghia. I started with the external oil system, and have mounted two setrab coolers by the rear torsion. When I looked around for a place to put the oil filter and thermostat (sandwich type thermostat, that sits between oil filter and oil filter mount), I couldn't find a good place. On my beetle I used the left side wheel house, but on the Ghia there's no room there.
Anyone with good suggestions, maybe photos of installations it would be greatly appreciated. I think I need some inspiration....  |
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MRRAGPICKER
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| How about one of the bumper bracket support bolts? |
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Mattias_A
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| MRRAGPICKER wrote: |
| How about one of the bumper bracket support bolts? |
Yes I have looked at this. I need to get a new filter bracket (my present one has it's connections pointing up) with the in/out holes pointing to the side, and maybe a smaller filter (Jaycee perhaps), then I believ it would fit in that spot. As I have the sandwich thermostat, the assy gets rather long..... |
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crocteau
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filter Installation in a 1964 Ghia |
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| Mattias_A wrote: |
| Anyone with good suggestions, maybe photos of installations it would be greatly appreciated. I think I need some inspiration.... |
FWIW, an old pic...
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Mattias_A
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Nice photo! Can you give me some more information about that setup?
Is it a Jaycee filter bracket? What type of filter is that? Length of filter? |
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crocteau
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Thanks! The filter and mount are all from Canton (http://www.cantonracing.com/); pricey but top quality. This filter housing extends down about 6½" but they make one about 4½" long that may work with your sandwich type thermostat. Having the mount bolted to the body in this location gives pretty good ground clearance and no interference with the bumper bracket or bolts, but it does catch some road grime. The gray hex-ended part is a flapper valve to prevent reverse oil flow.
Care to say more about your engine change?
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Mattias_A
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| crocteau wrote: |
Thanks! The filter and mount are all from Canton (http://www.cantonracing.com/); pricey but top quality. This filter housing extends down about 6½" but they make one about 4½" long that may work with your sandwich type thermostat. Having the mount bolted to the body in this location gives pretty good ground clearance and no interference with the bumper bracket or bolts, but it does catch some road grime. The gray hex-ended part is a flapper valve to prevent reverse oil flow.
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I visited the Canton website, and they sure look nice. I wonder how the JayCee filters hold up against the Canton filters? It seems The JayCee version uses some kind of reusable filter in stainless steel? They're about the same amount of money, so it doesn't matter that much which one I choose.
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| Care to say more about your engine change? |
Well, I'm preparing the car for my 2332cc engine, that I had in my 56 beetle. I'm waiting for my KCR transmission to arrive, so I'm mocking uo the oil and fuel system for now. Hopefully it will be a good street car, that I occasionally can air on the 1/8 mile.... |
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crocteau
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| I wonder how the JayCee filters hold up against the Canton filters? It seems The JayCee version uses some kind of reusable filter in stainless steel? They're about the same amount of money, so it doesn't matter that much which one I choose. |
About the only shared characteristic I'm aware of is that neither of these filters has a built in bypass. The Canton element is a throw-away depth type filter rated down to 8 microns, and as you noted the JayCee element is reusable stainless steel, rated to 35 microns IIRC. Also, JayCee has a nice filter mount with a built-in bypass. That's an important consideration with either of these filter elements. With that engine it sounds like you're going to have an awesome Ghia, post some pictures!
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Mattias_A
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True. I haven't used a bypass before, and never had any problems with blown filters. My engine doesn't rev that high (Max HP @ 6000). I guess I could have a go with a Gene Berg pump cover with bypass (relief valve). That's probably the easiest way to go.
Here's a photo of the engine. It has been on the workstand for quite a while now....
The car:
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crocteau
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| I haven't used a bypass before, and never had any problems with blown filters. |
No doubt you perform regular maintenance to avoid having a clogged oil filter. Do you have a standard size oil pump? Thanks for posting the pics; I had poked around on your web link looking at various photos but my ability to interpret Swedish is nil. That's a beauty of an engine and the Ghia is sweet! I'm guessing it's painted Graphite Silver or Diamond Gray. In fact, I like all the cars in that stable; the T-bird and the GTO look cherry!
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I run a CM filter on my Beetle and can tell you it saved my engine when it broke a valve spring and the pushrod tore up the aluminum Pauter rocker arm. There was aluminum shavings everywhere, but the filter stopped them from getting to the bearings.
8 microns is better than 35 microns. The element will not clog so a bypass is not needed. It's 100% filtration 100% of the time. The element is extended service and since i only drive 3000 a year I replace it every 3 years. i just clean out the canister and inspect the o-rings.
A filter bypass protects a filter than can't handle it.. the Canton Mecca can handle it.
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crocteau
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| A filter bypass protects a filter than can't handle it.. the Canton Mecca can handle it. |
Thanks for the info Glenn. I don't know what its blowout pressure might be, but I can attest to the fact that the CM element can handle at least 175 psi. Despite its nominal 10,000 mile normal street rating I'd think that its ability to trap 8 micron particles would warrant replacement sooner. If I couldn't maintain it properly I'd probably opt for a bypass mount. Sorry to digress from the main subject of this forum... Ghias!
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Mattias_A
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Well It seems like the Canton filter is the way to go. I'll go for the short version, then I guess my total length with the thermostat might be the same as the long filter = enoough ground clearance...
Thank you for the input, guys! I love the Internet! |
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Mattias_A
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| Mattias_A wrote: |
| I wonder how the JayCee filters hold up against the Canton filters? It seems The JayCee version uses some kind of reusable filter in stainless steel? They're about the same amount of money, so it doesn't matter that much which one I choose. |
About the only shared characteristic I'm aware of is that neither of these filters has a built in bypass. The Canton element is a throw-away depth type filter rated down to 8 microns, and as you noted the JayCee element is reusable stainless steel, rated to 35 microns IIRC. Also, JayCee has a nice filter mount with a built-in bypass. That's an important consideration with either of these filter elements. With that engine it sounds like you're going to have an awesome Ghia, post some pictures!
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Thank you for the kind words. I have another question about your photo. what are the adapters you have on your bracket? Is it fan actuator? Oil temp? |
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The one on the far left is a thermal switch that turns the fan on.
I've never see it at the filter since the most common place is the cooler input. You want the oil hot enough so the water boils out.
BTW... i never installed my cooler since my max oil temp is only 205F.
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Here the full-flow setup with sandwich plate and a single Setrab oil cooler fanpack on my '64 Ghia:
Here you can see the the System 1 oil filter kinda peeking out above the traction bar with the Full-flow oil filter adapter mount:
Full-flow oil filter adapter with sandwich plate adapter installed:
I have the Setrab 6"x6" oil cooler fan pack from Aircooled.net and mounted it just behind the driver side torsion bar,
the fins that you see on the bottom of the oil cooler happens to be house siding vents which works great for scooping up the air and you can see the door screen mesh to keep debris from getting caught between the oil cooler fins:
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Mattias_A
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Jim, that was a sweet installation! I have placed my two coolers "standing" just by the rear torsion. No fans, I will try to divert air flow through them with som sheet metal. I post some photos next weekend.
One more Q, is it 3/4"-16 that is commonly used? I checked my existing K&N filter, and according to their website, that's the threadsize... I don't want to order the wrong type Canton filter..... That would really suck....  |
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Mattias_A
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, Jim. BTW, is it possible to get those fans separate? What dimensions are your cooler? |
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