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ctp13 Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2008 Posts: 59 Location: Plymouth CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: Help Misterey rear main seal |
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so yesterday I drove my 87 Syncro
14 miles to Lows when I came out Oil was running out from the rear main ( engine /trans mating) area
about a 10+ inch puddle I drove to the gas station ( 500 yards)
Checked dipstick no oil visible Put in two quarts slightly over mark - should have been more exact but Panic has set in.
came home 14 miles checked parking spot - no oil so somewhere in that 14 miles I leaked out over a quart + HMM.. came directly to the list read all I could find - Bummer rear main or Galley plugs trans has to come out. seems easer than engine.
Today I recently check engine oil - ?still slightly over full?
so in the interest of experimentation I drove it Back to lows -
NO OIL LOSS???? how can that be? it was running out yesterday .
any ideas? I would have bet that with that big of a seal failure it would have been leaking today.
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Chuck |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2946 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure you did not park on top of someone else's oil spot and mistake it for your own leak? Maybe it was coincidence and you just happened to have let your oil get too low. _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
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ctp13 Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2008 Posts: 59 Location: Plymouth CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: |
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hdenter wrote: |
Are you sure you did not park on top of someone else's oil spot and mistake it for your own leak? Maybe it was coincidence and you just happened to have let your oil get too low. |
I wish it were so I crawled under when I saw the mess and it was dripimg
say one drip every second or less and it smelled of hot oil.
and I double checked when I stoped for oil and another puddle .
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Thanks for the reply though.
Chuck |
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Dr.Dub13 Samba Member

Joined: July 18, 2008 Posts: 178 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Your crankcase could have pressurized forcing oil out and then the PCV system could have started working again. I don't have enough experience with Vanagons yet to know if that happens. _________________ Terry
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binger59 Samba Member

Joined: December 09, 2007 Posts: 237 Location: Oswego, NY
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Speakng of other peoples auto puddles, I've made it a habit of checking under my van before I go into the store or where ever. It's a good way to find leaks. I've found no leaks other then this rear main over this last summer. Not a hard job but then again not a synchro either. Good luck with the leak. Oh yeah big fan of the drive thru for finding random
noises also. _________________ Binger
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ctp13 Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2008 Posts: 59 Location: Plymouth CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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RE-cap Found the leak in Dec have been too busy to work on it
I believe that it's the engine main and will drop the trans next week
So are there any preferred Seals to buy - Hate to put in an inferior product that is only a few $$$ Just to do this again.
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funagon Samba Member

Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1308 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an article from gowesty on this topic:
http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=535
They recommend the VW seal, made by SABO. I have used the Victor Reinz seal on two WBX engines with no problem. _________________ 1990 GL 7-passenger
2.2 liter WBX |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10147 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Both of those are good, but the SABO is the most heavy-duty.
They key thing with this job is to make sure there is no groove on the flywheel hub where the seal lip rides. If there is a slight groove, it can be polished out by setting up the FW to be able to spin it and applying abrasive papers, starting at coarse like 40, 60, or 80, and progressing up bit by bit until you've polished it bright with at least a 1000grit emery.
Extra points: buffing after that with a cotton buff and compound suitable for steel (green) can bring it to almost a mirror finish.
If the groove is deep enough to catch a fingernail in then you won't be able to take it out; look for a new FW then. _________________ Shop for unique and useful Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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lordsniff Samba Member

Joined: April 12, 2005 Posts: 432 Location: atlanta
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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this happened to my syncro some while back . i fitted 4 main seals over a period of months only to find eventually that each one was being blown out by pressure from the crank case . replaced engine .
whilst in there replace the bearing too . _________________ I was born at a very early age and it was such a shock I didn't speak for another 2 years .
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deprivation Samba Member

Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Some people have reported excessive crankcase pressure when the hose from the oil breather gets too weak and collapses under high engine vacuum. _________________ 1986 Westy 2WD auto a.k.a. "The Old Girl"
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danfromsyr Samba Member

Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15391 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I slipped a 'shunt' inside it of a rigid polyethelyne tube.
kept the breathing clear with a squishy hose.
deprivation wrote: |
Some people have reported excessive crankcase pressure when the hose from the oil breather gets too weak and collapses under high engine vacuum. |
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deprivation Samba Member

Joined: September 14, 2006 Posts: 1220 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I slipped a 'shunt' inside it of a rigid polyethelyne tube. |
I think you mean "stent" but that's a great idea - wish I'd thought of that. I ended up using a section of ultra-butch reinforced hose that'll need to be replaced sooner rather than later because of exposure to oil. _________________ 1986 Westy 2WD auto a.k.a. "The Old Girl"
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