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rustfree1967bug
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 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: Single quiet pack or hideaway for 1600? |
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I am going to be ordering a 1 3/8 header and exhaust soon for my 1600 dual port. I was just wondering if I should go with the single quiet pack or the hideaway muffler? I want whichever is the loudest and gives the most added power/torque. I plan to go with bugpack as they seem to be the best for the money right?
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You want the loudest and best performing and you only give 2 choices. Thats not gonna work. The hideaway is a restrictive piece of crap. It will hinder performance. It also needs to be removed to adjust the valves. The quietpack will give you better performance and won't get in the way when you go to adjust valves.
You are adding it to a stock 1600?? Don't expect much gain. Maybe 0.2HP. Forget about noise. Get the quiet pack. |
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rustfree1967bug
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I have always heard good things about the bugpack hideaway system. Any other opinions
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If you want loud... get a stinger.
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rustfree1967bug
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I'm not saying it has to be that loud but just something with a nice somewhat aggressive sound. I do plan on buying just the stinger pipe so I can swap them out if I feel like making some noise. Also do you agree that bugpack would be a good place to get everything from? Or is cbperformance better? Is there any difference in performance between those two brands of exhaust's?
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I ran a generic hideaway for years with my 1776, aside from being in the way when I wanted to access that side of anything, I also had problems with the mounting hardware continually rattling loose. I have no idea how many nuts/bolts I replaced over the years.
Also, if you don't catch it quick enough, the tabs that sticks off of the muffler portion can punch some gnarly holes in your heater box when that bolt falls out..
Course, I probably didn't install mine right or something.. but overall, it put up with a lot of abuse and seemed to do it's job reasonably well..
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rustfree1967bug
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How did yours sound? Also did you notice much of a power difference?
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| i have had a bugpack hideout for over a year. Great fit, pretty quiet and mellow sound, and slightly better performance then the rusty stock muffler. I welded the nut to the muffler hanger strap and it made assembly way easier. |
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rustfree1967bug
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Ok great. So was the hide away more quiet than your old stock exhaust? I was looking at the vw trends exhaust article and it looks like the hideaway actually made a little more power and torque than the single quiet pack. I just want to see a good video of how the hide away sounds.
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| I like the sound much better then stock. It doesn't sound like a stock beetle, but it doesn't sound like a flowmaster either. Don't know how to explain it, but myself and other car guys think it sounds great. |
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rustfree1967bug
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Ok thanks so much. I think i'll just go ahead and order the bugpack hideaway system. Did you just paint yours with a high temp paint? Also was installation easy? I plan to pull my motor soon to put in new tranny mounts which should make it easier.
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I agree with the hideaway sounding nice, differen from stock definitely, but yeah, it's hard to describe.. I liked it though..
I didn't treat mine at all paintwise, just used it as it came out of the box.
My only big recommendation, and i guess this applies to all exhaust, not specifically this one, is to throw some spare nuts/bolts into your toolbox, just in case you notice yours are missing one day.. 
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| Michael Fischer wrote: |
You want the loudest and best performing and you only give 2 choices. Thats not gonna work. The hideaway is a restrictive piece of crap. It will hinder performance. It also needs to be removed to adjust the valves. The quietpack will give you better performance and won't get in the way when you go to adjust valves.
You are adding it to a stock 1600?? Don't expect much gain. Maybe 0.2HP. Forget about noise. Get the quiet pack. |
As a guy that, last I heard, owns and operates a shop in Salem, I would think you would maybe consider NOT putting out a bunch of misinformation. Where did you get the idea that a hideaway is a "restrictive piece of crap?"
As I recall, both Hot Vws and VW Trends have done dyno tests on both heater box header and merged header versions of that muffler, and it matched the single and dual QP versions, respectively.
The only thing in your post that's accurate is the point about having to remove the muffler to adjust valves.
0.2 horsepower gain? Try again,. chachi. The horsepower gain won't exactly be neck-snapping, but dyno tests have proven a lot more than what you're presenting.  |
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gimme a break; the Hideaway is the best muffler available for street headers (headers that retain the stock heat exchangers). PERIOD. Every other muffler has problems of some sort.
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i have had two different hideaways and loved them.....good for not scraping and nice sound...also like how it gives a clean look...i never had a prob w/mine coming loose but do have to remove for valve adjstmnt....i saw a test somewhere and the hideaway did pretty good compared to other exhaust
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I have a hideaway on mine and like it.
I've had all sorts of exhaust leak issues, but it hasn't had anything to do with the hideaway, it's the slip fit connections at the heaterboxes. Hopefully I've corrected that now.
All in all though, I like my hideaway set up. I just bought 5 of the soft copper gaskets from CB Performance for when I have to do valve adjustments and have them hanging in my garage when I need them.
Anyone ever tried having the muffler swapped out for a flowmaster or something else using the original tubing for a little deeper sound? The thought has crossed my mind, but I've never tried it.
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| i have had two different hideaways and loved them.....good for not scraping and nice sound...also like how it gives a clean look...i never had a prob w/mine coming loose but do have to remove for valve adjstmnt....i saw a test somewhere and the hideaway did pretty good compared to other exhaust |
Mine may have come loose because I did have a problem with scraping... I'm not very friendly with speed bumps, which is why I refuse to lower the rear, but occassionally I would smack speed bumps or railroad tracks with the 3 bolt flange going from the header to the hideaway..
Depending on the availability of good shops in your area, you might consider finding an exhaust shop to work with to get the sound you want in a style you like.
If you were in the San Diego area, I could HIGHLY recommend a shop over in East County who does excellent work and provides some of the best customer service I've ever had. He was also very reasonably priced. I went there to have flanges welded on my J-tubes and header and he quoted me at $150, when i went to pick it up less than a day later, he mentioned that they noticed where the header was merging there was a bottle neck problem due to wrong size tubing, so they cut off the end of my headers and put on the proper size tubing with no extra charge, and then gave me a discount for being military on top of it all (wound up costing me about $135).. oh, he also gave me his home phone number so I could arrange to meet him at the shop on a sunday to drop off the car since that was the only time I had available. If anyone wants his info, PM me, I don't want anyone to think I'm just trying to advertise for him..
back on topic, I've had the same problems about being worried of buying an exhaust and not liking the sound.. not much you can do about it though unless you know people with the exhaust you want to hear or can find audio on the net somewhere.. 
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Ok so one more question. Is cb performances hideway system any different in performance, sound or how it fits than the bugpack? The only reason I ask is because the cb one is cheaper.
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don't know the diference myself - only one I have used was the bug pack - I laughed when I saw the post about it being a bad piece - I too saw the dyno test artricles and thats one of the reasons I got one. Sound is nice - particularly when you are on it. It wont wear out your ears when cruising, but it's louder than stock and doesnt sound like a VW at all. Its really helping with the illusion I am creating on my current project.
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I found a bugpack dealer about 70 miles from me. I called to see if they had the parts that I need and he told me I would need part numbers. So I checked the bugpack catalog and I think these are the part numbers I need. 2031-10 for the header 2556 for the hideaway muffler. This is for a '70 bug with 1600 and I want to keep my heater boxes and heat. I just want to confirm with you guys that these are the part numbers I need before I call back. Thanks
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