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Need4Speed77
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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: Problem adjusting shift linkage |
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| I have an 002 bus tranny in a sandrail and I am having difficulties adjusting the linkage. I can get it adjusted so that I can shift 1,2,3,4 but no reverse. I have a jamar shifter with the reverse lockout. Are there any tricks to getting this setup for all gears? Is there possibly something wrong with the tranny? I had it running with the axles off running through the gears and was able to get it to access reverse (it would grind so i know it was reverse) but but cannot get it there again while the engine is not running. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. |
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Jim.Fernish
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you sure the clutch is completely disengaging? I had a similar issue and had the get more throw on the clutch arm. |
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Need4Speed77
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim.Fernish wrote: |
| Are you sure the clutch is completely disengaging? I had a similar issue and had the get more throw on the clutch arm. |
Ya the clutch is working fine. That was the first thing I racked my brain about. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I had to install the shifter with the linkage in the reverse position with my Hurst shifter, and 002. |
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Need4Speed77
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| When I move the shifter to the left (for 1st and 2nd) the shaft moves the tranny output shaft in the opposite direction. For reverse it should move even further in the other direction, correct? Or is it in line with first and second but just move the output shaft further out to engage reverse? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Need4Speed77 wrote: |
| When I move the shifter to the left (for 1st and 2nd) the shaft moves the tranny output shaft in the opposite direction. For reverse it should move even further in the other direction, correct? Or is it in line with first and second but just move the output shaft further out to engage reverse? |
On mine, 3-4 is one side, 1-2 is centered (with the set screw hole in the middle) then reverse is farther over on the other side.
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Ozzaholic
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe when you pull the stick left and back for reverse that throws the trans linkage forward right. That is just thinking in my head, I can check in the morning unless someone smarter can confirm before then. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ozzaholic wrote: |
| I believe when you pull the stick left and back for reverse that throws the trans linkage forward right. That is just thinking in my head, I can check in the morning unless someone smarter can confirm before then. |
any shifter that uses the stock reverse lock out plate, the stock shifter included, is an absolute pain to get right... I'm dealing with the same issue on my own car, and think I have dealt with it on every car I have ever built. It takes time/patience and fiddling... just grab a 13mm, tell the neighbors that the car is not having a seizure, and start tightening/loosen/moving shifter around until its right... I have had shifters in the past be wrong, and then after only loosening and tightening the bolts be right for years after...add a linkage at the nosecone, or shorten a shift rod, and your problems only exponentiate....do keep in mind, if you lay the lock out plate flat on a table, the arc in the plate should point up, and to the right(towards 3rd gear) I find this memorable as it was the way hitler did it...
well.... I typed this out... and then realized it wasn't an actual stock reverse plate in question... so I 'cut' it but if it helps... I still had it my my laptop memory.. 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just a very fiddly process. Start with reverse, and fine tune from there. I must have spent a couple hours messing with mine. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: |
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And a possible solution.....
Makes up for any misalignment during "rework" process of shift rod....
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Need4Speed77
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
And a possible solution.....
Makes up for any misalignment during "rework" process of shift rod....
Dale |
I have what seems to be a Jamar super shifter. looks just like one but it is an older one. Says Jamar right on top. The pic you posted is of a different shifter, like a stock style shifter box. The only adjustment I have on mine is on the shift tube. Really all I can do is loosen the jam nut and legthen or shorten the rod. Maybe it is either too long or too short!
Does the output shaft on the tranny turn past where 1st and 2nd are to engage when I push the lockout or is it in line with 1st and 2nd??? |
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Ozzaholic
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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If I am reading right yes the linkage rotates.
Push the linkage all the way in.
pull out one "click", you should be able to wobble (rotate) the linkage (neutral).
Rotate all the way right and out one more "click" should be reverse.
It is easier to do if you can get into the rear access.
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Need4Speed77
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ozzaholic wrote: |
If I am reading right yes the linkage rotates.
Push the linkage all the way in.
pull out one "click", you should be able to wobble (rotate) the linkage (neutral).
Rotate all the way right and out one more "click" should be reverse.
It is easier to do if you can get into the rear access. |
Thanks. I'll give it a shot. Should I do this with the shift rod disconnected from the output shaft and then hook it up after it is in reverse? |
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Ozzaholic
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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The shift rod might give you a better grip and visual on the rotation part.
It isn't that much, so while in neutral wobble it a few times to make sure, then as far right as you can go.
It won't make a clicking sound, but you should fell the gears disengage and engage, that is what I meant by "click", more of a thunk.
Good luck.
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Need4Speed77
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Ok so I got it all adjusted. The lockout was not working for the reverse so I took the shifter apart and off the rod, tightened the lockout lever inside and put it all back together. I then threaded the rod back on the u joint on the shifter and put the output shaft on the tranny in reverse, adjusted the length of the shift rod (with it in the reverse position) and attached it to the output shaft. Then I got extremely upset because the shifter wouldn't move right or left. What I discovered is that the shifter is so close that it only moves a 1/4", or there abouts, left to right. Got all four gears and reverse and the lockout works right now. took a little patience but it is done. Thanks guys for all the help and tips. |
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Ozzaholic
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Glad it all worked. Thanks for letting us know.
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