Lightest brake set-up?

[pip hancox]

looking to see if anyone has experience with running lightweight brake systems such as jamar (intended for off road use only?) on a swingaxle street bug with linkpin front end. do the off road systems create offset issues? such systems seem to be less expensive than Airkewld/CB/CSP etc but look super light. there's gotta be some drawbacks or fitment issues perhaps right? any other light set-up suggestions?
i'll be running wide 5 zero offset Ercos up front and 6" Ercos out back.
cheers,
pip.
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[Stripped66]

I'm running Jamar wide-5 disk brakes on a ball joint front end. I would estimate the front track is about 1-to-1.5" wider than stock. Nothing a narrowed front beam can't fix.

The offset for the rear appears different depending on whether you run their standard kit or the race-strength kit. I have an older, standard kit on the rear of a swingaxle and the track was about 2" wider than stock. I had the offset of my rear wheels modified to move the wheels back towards the inside. The race strength kit doesn't appear to add as much track, but how much, I don't know.
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[pip hancox]

thanks for the response.
were you able to find out if the Jamars were any lighter than the other stuff available including stock drums and can you use them with drop spindles?
any other opinions on a light set-up?
thanks again,
pip.
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[VIN]

i really like my gear-one discs on my baja. pretty darn lightweight. stop great. look great.
good company to deal with as well, they had to custom make them for me. running a king pin, combo spindle with 4 lug.
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[mark tucker]

I hate these fricken heavy roto hubs(I think the empi rotors are a bit lighter than the cb ones,I have both but havent put them on a scale,dont want to break the scale).thinken about doing some lightening, but still cant take out enough.wish I hade time to make my own hats&hubs.$300-400 for a set of hubs is redickulass.

[pip hancox]

does anyone know if any of the lighter set-ups are compatible with drop spindles or does that narrow it down to the heavier empi/CB/CSP types?
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[Stripped66]

The Jamar caliber mount bolts in place of the stock drum backing-plate. On my stock ball-joint spindles, the caliper sits below the steering arm/tie-rod end. On the dropped spindle, the steering arm would likely interfere with the caliper.
I suppose the caliper mounts could be re-indexed without too much drama; it also would be pretty easy to fabricate a new set of caliper mounts to work with any spindle you want.

BTW, I did not weigh these and compare them with the stock brakes. They *seem* lighter than stock, but I don't have the numbers. For certain, they are way lighter than the cast-iron brake kits.
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[Hustlers67]

So the Jamar disc brakes are heavy and wide (adding 1.5" offset to front) in comparison to others on the market - is that right?

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[slalombuggy]

I've got a set of Jamar rears. Looking at the hub I would say they offset the wheel about an inch maybe less. They are light I can hardly wait to put them on my new project. Now if I can just find some fronts.

brad

[RailBoy]

I am pretty upset in reading this, mean on a D.O.T. Regulatory car and you are going to run "Unsafe" Brakes for there mint for light weight buggies.

Take other people lives into account. If there is a mishap, you will be charged for Vehicular Man Slaugter, why, Wrong Equipment.....

I ran a D.O.T. Approved Street Rail for 30 years with OEM Drums for there were stock VW.

Take other people lives into account, boil some brake fluid and brakes go next...RB
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[Chip]

My BAD Brakes from Airkewld aren't heavy. The only non aluminum metal on them are the rotors themselves, the bolts and studs.

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[Hustlers67]

"Manslaughterish Rotors"!!?? woah

So is the suggestion here that the Jamar discs are defective?

Or that they are for offroad only? Where you use soft brakes? ?

Surely when compared to stock drums they would be an improvement?

Or is there something else in their design making them more hazardous to run on the road?

BTW - I am asking because I have a road car... not offroad. And no, I dont want to kill anyone, I want a better setup than my existing drums.

[Chip]

Don't get the off-road brakes then...

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just consider that Jamar discs are primarily designed for stopping an 1100lb rail, not a 1900lb street car. The other issues are they have no e-brake, and they do tend to exhibit some brake squeal on occasion.
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[Stripped66]

I was being sardonic.

I've had no problems hauling my car to a hard stop from 90+ mph. I'm not a road-racer, so boiling fluid and brake fade isn't a concern I have. You can make the argument for "light-weight buggies", but most light-weight buggies don't run front brakes. Heavier buggies and off-road buggies/race cars do use front brakes, and they could be subject to much greater duty-cycle on the brakes than what you'd see casually driving around. As far as the calipers and rotors go, they are as robust as the RLR/Geers/Sachette lightweight brakes.


Go do some research on braking systems and make sure you're comfortable with your decision before you bolt anything new on to your car. Don't rely solely on the info provided on this site, where most info is 3rd hand masquerading as personal experience.
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[Hustlers67]

Good chat.

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