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unknown force Samba Member

Joined: September 25, 2008 Posts: 234 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: Oil temp sensor in rear pressure relief valve |
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hey have a quick question for anyone that runs this setup like the photo bellow
from vw-resource.com
did you put anything on the threads of the sensor to stop any leakeage? and what did you torque it down to?
this is what i plan on using
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VDO%2D323%2D064
going into a 67 ghia then mounting a gauge in the dash, already been precut by PO so might as well make use of the holes  _________________ 1973 Super
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Quokka42 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Nope, never run one there - there isn't oil flow across the sensor so it doesn't give useful readings. Even with the problems of a tee it would be better at the stock location. |
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Eaallred Samba Member

Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 5756 Location: West Valley City, Utah
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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There is always a small amount of flow, the plunger isn't o-ring sealed. That location actually works pretty well.
No thread sealant. It isn't npt threads, it seals on the gasket. _________________ Eric Allred
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Quokka42 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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OK, there isn'tsignificant flow across it.
You will not get a meaningful indication of engine or engine oil temperatures with a sensor at that location.
But you can show off your nice oil temperature gauge - seems to be more important to some. |
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Joel Samba Member

Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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More accurate than being in the drain plug anyway. _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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unknown force Samba Member

Joined: September 25, 2008 Posts: 234 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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i have the engine out right now so just want to put the plug on then wire it up later before i have oil in the engine
everyone seems to think its a better spot then the oil drain plug and some other spots.
as much as i like the idea of the thermometer dipstick just doesn't seem useful while driving
thanks for the info tho _________________ 1973 Super
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Quokka42 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I wouldn't even say that - at least at the drain plug the oil will slosh about a bit, the sensor isn't stuck down a hole. |
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pallen Samba Member

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jd92677 Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| So if the consensus is that isn't the optimal spot for an oil temp reading, where is the best place for an accurate reading? I'm also looking to install an oil temp gauge and would like an accurate reading. |
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jd92677 Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| So if the consensus is that isn't the optimal spot for an oil temp reading, where is the best place for an accurate reading? I'm also looking to install an oil temp gauge and would like an accurate reading. |
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david greiner Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2003 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| We have compared most of the different locations and the pressure relief sender will give you the highest (hottest) reading. |
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neil68 Samba Member

Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3451 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: oil relief sender |
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I've used almost every sender location over the past 38 years (except the Type 3 block-off plate) and haven't found much difference between any of them. I currently use the oil relief location in my 2332 cc and didn't have to use any sealant, just the gasket and torqued moderately. _________________ Neil.
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stealth67vw Samba Member

Joined: January 22, 2004 Posts: 1873 Location: Grass Pants, Orygun
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Joel Samba Member

Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quokka42 wrote: |
| No, I wouldn't even say that - at least at the drain plug the oil will slosh about a bit, the sensor isn't stuck down a hole. |
Drain plug works fine if you never drive over 25mph, above that the road draft cools the bottom off and gives a false low reading, just ask anyone who has tried it there.
That isn't a problem though if you are aware of it and only use the gauge to watch for changes in trends.
Also there it hangs down low and is highly susceptible to damage _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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Hotrodvw Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2004 Posts: 6328 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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This is how I do it. Inline with your full flow oil lines right off the pump. In the oil flow, non-restrictive, and real time temp of what the engine is seeing.
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Jon65 Samba Member

Joined: September 29, 2012 Posts: 2417
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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^^That's a good idea.
Simple and it works. |
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'd sell those adapters if I knew where to get them.
It's a great idea.
But there's nothing wrong with the cooler relief plug either, but only there on dual relief cases. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80182 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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The fitting can't be cheap.
In the filter base is free and easy.
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Hotrodvw Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2004 Posts: 6328 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenn wrote: |
The fitting can't be cheap.
In the filter base is free and easy.
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I've done this as well, but reserve that location for my pressure sending unit. It helps get the clutter out of the engine bay. IMO, the tip of the sender being in the oil flow is the best reading possible. This scenario of course all depends on what the sender is mounted in, which sender is used, etc... _________________ '67 Sunroof
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23946 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| no put it in the oil, thats not in the oil, not saying it dosent cantact the oil but not a good place to check it at.how about the type 3 dipstick location? |
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