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buggzee1964
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 Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: Crows foot rims |
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| I have two crows foot rims and two non. One crows is dated 2/58 and one is 9/58. I am putting these on a 66 split with a straight axle kit on the rear and wilwood discs with a 3 in drop in front. Do the crows go in the rear or front. Thanks |
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durfeec
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Crows feet rims wont work on a 66. 
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I agree, send them to me... 
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Stocknazi
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crows feet 15 inch wheels were used on buses up through around 60; some buses got them , some did'nt; some got a mix of crows and non-crows
they were different manufactures
your bus should have 14 inch wheels
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joe56vw
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since he is lowering it and putting disc brakes on I doubt the stock 14" rims will work for his bus
plus there is a better option with low profile tires in the 15" size
15" crows feet bus rims are the same as 15" non-crows feet rims so it doesn't really matter where you put them
also the "crows feet" part of the rim is hidden by the hubcap anyways
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| what joe56 said... |
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lowindO
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What/whose disc brakes?
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Funny you say that. My 66 SC has 2 crow's and 2 non. And what ^ said. 14's won't fit over disc brakes. 15's will work though.
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Chad M
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The slots in crowfoot rims are larger than non-crowfoot. Just try sliding your hand into a non-crow... its a no-go.  |
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| Chad M wrote: |
| The slots in crowfoot rims are larger than non-crowfoot. Just try sliding your hand into a non-crow... its a no-go. |
I don't think so ...
I think you may be confusing 15in and 14in rims.
The crow's foot name comes from the pressings around the bolt holes, as in this picture:
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| fig wrote: |
| Chad M wrote: |
| The slots in crowfoot rims are larger than non-crowfoot. Just try sliding your hand into a non-crow... its a no-go. |
I don't think so ...
I think you may be confusing 15in and 14in rims.
The crow's foot name comes from the pressings around the bolt holes, as in this picture:
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Have to agree with Fig...while there are some VERY minor differences between crow/non, the size of the slots are virtually identical. |
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Chad M
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I'm going out to check my stash again...
edit: The slots in the Crows are definitely bigger... not longer, but the windows are larger.
I stick by what I said. |
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There are different sizes of the slots, crows are bigger.
Some non-crow have the bigger slots, same as crow.
Some have slighter smaller slots. |
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Interesting ...
So I guess it's a matter of which manufacturer made the wheel?
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I thought offset on crows were slightly different?
As a lot run crows front non crow on rear! |
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Crows feet were on commercial splits as the crows feet shape was stronger. There is also a slight difference in off-set between crows and non crows of about 4mm. So don't run one of each on the same axle.
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| Crows feet were on commercial splits as the crows feet shape was stronger. There is also a slight difference in off-set between crows and non crows of about 4mm. So don't run one of each on the same axle. |
Nope. I have four original crowsfeet wheels on my 58 standard. It did not matter if the bus was a commercial bus or passenger bus. Crowsfoot wheels are not stronger, and they do not have an appreciable difference in offset. 4mm would be the absolute max that I have ever measured. They are usually less than 2mm difference.
To the OP, mount those wheels wherever you want, It doesn't matter.
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| Crowsfoot wheels are not stronger |
Thats just your opinion which isnt based on anything factual. The stampings around the bolt holes arent just for looks
The slots in Crows feet wheels are larger than non- crowsfeet wheels. Stick your hand in there and you will feel the difference |
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| Crowsfoot wheels are not stronger |
Thats just your opinion which isnt based on anything factual. The stampings around the bolt holes arent just for looks
The slots in Crows feet wheels are larger than non- crowsfeet wheels. Stick your hand in there and you will feel the difference |
If they are stronger, why is that possibility never ever mentioned in any literature, and crows foot wheels are found on any variety of buses regardless of intended use? I can see that the stampings could provide for some lateral stiffness around the lug hole, but to say that they are a stronger wheel because of that is supposition at best.
As to the slots...
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There are different sizes of the slots, crows are bigger.
Some non-crow have the bigger slots, same as crow.
Some have slighter smaller slots. |
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Chad M
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Are there more wheel manufactures than the Lemmerz, Kronprinz and VW for the 15" split buses?
I have not run across the "bigger slot" non-crow... which manufacturer would have made these?
Are the wheels marked VW actually made by VW?
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