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MTT3107 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:27 am Post subject: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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Have an idea/question :
Is there any reason to not replace the studs on the case, where the alternator stand mounts to, with bolts ?
With studs, you cant move the stand enough to remove it, with the engine installed.
I am thinking, that if you use bolts instead, you could easily remove the stand, with the alternator and fan, with the engine installed.
And without the alternator and stand installed, engine removal/installation would also be easier.
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31396 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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Some of done this, using either hex head screws or allen head screws, 8.0mm x 1.25mm thread.
Some folks will say that using bolts and multiple R&Rs will weaken the threads in the block, but I doubt that would happen in normal life.
Some folks have even slotted the two holes in the stand to make R&R even easier.
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Kafer_Mike Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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You are more likely to strip or pull the threads in the softer case by over tightening a bolt vs. using a stud and nut. As Cusser said, not much of a concern if the engine is together and it's done infrequently. If the case is apart and/or you plan to do it more often, I would go ahead and install 'case savers'. _________________ Kafer_Mike
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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Steel inserts so you can use bolts.
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bsairhead Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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Cusser wrote: |
Some of done this, using either hex head screws or allen head screws, 8.0mm x 1.25mm thread.
Some folks will say that using bolts and multiple R&Rs will weaken the threads in the block, but I doubt that would happen in normal life.
Some folks have even slotted the two holes in the stand to make R&R even easier.
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Looking at your diagram I think you could slot the rear left enough to allow the fan removal and thru bolt the rear right. Three original studs and a thru bolt. Maybe? |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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Ok, I will do this mod at the next occasion.
Yes stripping the threads is a concern, but only if you go overboard when tightening the bolts.
Just have to have a little "feel" in the wrist.... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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MTT3107 wrote: |
Just have to have a little "feel" in the wrist.... |
I use a torque wrench, my hands are not calibrated. _________________ Glenn
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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8mm studs threaded into the case or their nuts typically are maximum 14 ft lbs. One could likely do fine with less there.
Solid threaded inserts are not a bad idea if one wants to make bulletproof. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Alternator stand mounting studs |
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I use a torque wrench, my hands are not calibrated.
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Me too, as much as possible, but the location of the studs or bolts for the alternator stand makes is pretty much impossible. |
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