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1992 Mexican Beetle Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2024 Posts: 6 Location: West Central Florida
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:00 pm Post subject: Stumped |
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So......I bought this beetle from a guy that rebuit the engine & I'm wondering if he installed the distributor correctly??
Went to adjust the valves & so
mething don't seem right 🤔 [img][/img] |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31396 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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Does the engine run "OK" ? Unless you absolutely know, TDC #1 is when the crankshaft pulley notch is pointing straight up at the engine case seam AND both valves for cylinder #1 are closed. THEN you can determine if all else is OK.
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2235 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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He probably put the distributor drive in 180 out and had to compensate. But the vacuum canister is in the correct place. So maybe something else is up. How does it run? _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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1992 Mexican Beetle Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2024 Posts: 6 Location: West Central Florida
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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Runs fine |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3592 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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The plug wires don't care. As long as TDC compression lines up and the rotor points to the #1 plug and the rest are 4-3-2 CW your good. |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3592 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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NJ John wrote: |
He probably put the distributor drive in 180 out and had to compensate. But the vacuum canister is in the correct place. So maybe something else is up. How does it run? |
How does the vacuum can have anything to do with it? |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2235 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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I’ve seen the complete distributor turned 180, and the vacuum can ends up awkwardly on the backside. Or some just move all the wires. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3592 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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NJ John wrote: |
I’ve seen the complete distributor turned 180, and the vacuum can ends up awkwardly on the backside. Or some just move all the wires. |
I have seen some that the stubbornness of the user wouldn't allow not lining up the rotor with the notch in the body. Unless you have a #3 retard distributor it makes no difference. |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2235 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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It’s all how you comprehend and approach what is going on after you discover that something is wrong after a rebuild. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15989 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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My guesses…
1) The PO installed the distributor drive gear (located below the distributor) incorrectly. There is a specific orientation for this 12-tooth gear when installed into the case. Install it off by a few teeth and the rotor will no longer point in the direction the factory designed it to point; resulting in #1 plug wire being in some odd location around the cap.
2) The distributor is not original to a Beetle. VW Type2 and Type3 distributors will drop right into a Type1 engine but the rotor may point to a different spot around the cap.
Key idea to take away… the engine needs the rotor to point to the distributor cap post where the #1 spark plug wire is installed when the #1 cylinder is at TDC at the end of the compression stroke. So it can deliver a spark to the cylinder when needed. The same applies to all 4 cylinders. Where the wires are located around the cap is less critical. _________________ AshMan40
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3592 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Stumped |
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ashman40 wrote: |
My guesses…
1) The PO installed the distributor drive gear (located below the distributor) incorrectly. There is a specific orientation for this 12-tooth gear when installed into the case. Install it off by a few teeth and the rotor will no longer point in the direction the factory designed it to point; resulting in #1 plug wire being in some odd location around the cap.
2) The distributor is not original to a Beetle. VW Type2 and Type3 distributors will drop right into a Type1 engine but the rotor may point to a different spot around the cap.
Key idea to take away… the engine needs the rotor to point to the distributor cap post where the #1 spark plug wire is installed when the #1 cylinder is at TDC at the end of the compression stroke. So it can deliver a spark to the cylinder when needed. The same applies to all 4 cylinders. Where the wires are located around the cap is less critical. |
"less critical" should be (not critical) unless you have a retarded #3 then it should read (is critical) |
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