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Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:30 pm

65busser wrote: I dunno. Looks like Randee's come up with the goods. They've got that vintage look whereas the DSR's look a bit Euro slick...a bit modern perhaps.

I don't know about the RDW being more vintage looking :roll: as it's got smoother black center's where the DSR has a more textured black center look just like empi did with everything else they made back in 1971 & earlier like the empi badges, seat's, gauge panels' etc.... . The offset's are obviously different looking at the RDW's 4.5 compared to the DSR 4.5 as the RDW's are more deeper and the DSR's seem to popout more like the 4.5 Fuch. So the front of the DSR would look more tucked than the RDW without narrowing your beam sooooooo much (I'm sure they'll find another outer barrel now to change the offset)
As for the solid center "RDW" it look's just like the cap's you find everyday on your so called bling bling rim's for Honda', Toyota's, Mitsu's and even the higher end car's like hummer's and shiat !!

DON'T GET ME WRONG NOW because the RDW is a very nice rim but seeing the finished "REAL DEAL" rim I much more prefer the look of my twice the price DSR's :wink:

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:57 am

I agree, The RDW Logo has to go. RestoJohnny, do you have any pics of these wheels on your split?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:09 am

steven wood wrote: I agree, The RDW Logo has to go. RestoJohnny, do you have any pics of these wheels on your split?

Not yet ! I've been working alot at the shop and haven't had the time to switch the wheel's off the fumagalli's yet. I'll get around to it. I'll send you some soon (hopefully) beside's I like walking into my pad and the first thing I see is my DSR's chilling with some of my other rim's I haven't put away yet :D

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:28 pm

im with you al i like the slick look ,smooth around the edges just like me :lol: :lol:

Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:19 am

TCB_GHIA wrote: im with you al i like the slick look ,smooth around the edges just like me :lol: :lol:

Me too,getting way too smooth :lol:

Do American's have a different type of balancing machine for wheels/tyres? In Oz,we have to have a centre hole on the wheel for the device to hold the wheel whilst it's balanced.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:22 am

quote-Do American's have a different type of balancing machine for wheels/tyres? In Oz,we have to have a centre hole on the wheel for the device to hold the wheel whilst it's balanced.-quote

our balancing machine's of today need the hole in the wheel also to balance the wheel but when there is a rim that does not have the hole alot of used tired places in in So. Cal. will use the "oldschool" bubble machine where they sit the tire/rim on the pyramid shaped tool/machine and the rim sit's flat on it. Then they just add the weight's to the outer side of the rim until the little bubble is centered then they know the rim is balanced. Unfortunately they weight's will be on the outside of the rim and not hidden in the backside of the rim :cry: so you'll see the weight's and it look's like DOO DOO, CRAP ETC....... I don't know of any new machine that will balance the rim/tire without some sort of hole in it.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:27 pm

Balancing is simple. An adapter on the balancer. The wheel is attached as it would be to the hub. There's a place 500 metres from me Al if you need s'thing balanced. Gives a more accurate balance cos the wheel is held exactly as it is on the car rather than just from the centre.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:37 pm

restojohnny wrote:
our balancing machine's of today need the hole in the wheel also to balance the wheel but when there is a rim that does not have the hole alot of used tired places in in So. Cal. will use the "oldschool" bubble machine where they sit the tire/rim on the pyramid shaped tool/machine and the rim sit's flat on it. Then they just add the weight's to the outer side of the rim until the little bubble is centered then they know the rim is balanced. Unfortunately they weight's will be on the outside of the rim and not hidden in the backside of the rim :cry: so you'll see the weight's and it look's like DOO DOO, CRAP ETC....... I don't know of any new machine that will balance the rim/tire without some sort of hole in it.

With the bubble machines, why can't you use the modern sticky weights and stick them on the inside of the rim?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:52 pm

restojohnny wrote: 65busser wrote: I dunno. Looks like Randee's come up with the goods. They've got that vintage look whereas the DSR's look a bit Euro slick...a bit modern perhaps.

I don't know about the RDW being more vintage looking :roll: as it's got smoother black center's where the DSR has a more textured black center look just like empi did with everything else they made back in 1971 & earlier like the empi badges, seat's, gauge panels' etc.... .

Did Empi make an RDW style wheel? Fuchs had a "smooth" black finish on their detailed wheels of the era, so I don't know if the textured finish necessarily suggests a period.
I like 'em both. There's no doubt the DSR wheel is absolutely drop dead gorgeous... (maybe more so on a Golf or Jetta!!!). Sorry, just can't help myself.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:53 pm

Tempo man wrote: restojohnny wrote:
our balancing machine's of today need the hole in the wheel also to balance the wheel but when there is a rim that does not have the hole alot of used tired places in in So. Cal. will use the "oldschool" bubble machine where they sit the tire/rim on the pyramid shaped tool/machine and the rim sit's flat on it. Then they just add the weight's to the outer side of the rim until the little bubble is centered then they know the rim is balanced. Unfortunately they weight's will be on the outside of the rim and not hidden in the backside of the rim :cry: so you'll see the weight's and it look's like DOO DOO, CRAP ETC....... I don't know of any new machine that will balance the rim/tire without some sort of hole in it.

With the bubble machines, why can't you use the modern sticky weights and stick them on the inside of the rim?

I've had that done before and it works fine.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:14 pm

65busser wrote: Did Empi make an RDW style wheel?

No, it was never put into actual production. Dave Deal was comissioned to design a wheel in the 60s to be released as the Radar Wheel. Dave Deal's design was rejected & the Radar Wheel we know today was the choosen design. Hence, the RDW wheel design was shelved.

Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:53 pm

[/quote]With the bubble machines, why can't you use the modern sticky weights and stick them on the inside of the rim?[/quote]

It's an old way of doing it and alot of people nowaday's don't know how to use the bubble machine let alone remembering it or even heard of it before. Most of the guy's that do know how to use it are old timer's and are used to putting it on the outside of the rim and not the backside because back in the day that's how they were trained to use the bubble machine. In other word's " YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS" :lol: :lol:

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:00 am

restojohnny wrote: With the bubble machines, why can't you use the modern sticky weights and stick them on the inside of the rim?[/quote]

It's an old way of doing it and alot of people nowaday's don't know how to use the bubble machine let alone remembering it or even heard of it before. Most of the guy's that do know how to use it are old timer's and are used to putting it on the outside of the rim and not the backside because back in the day that's how they were trained to use the bubble machine. In other word's " YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS" :lol: :lol:[/quote]

I know this girl that could even teach you a few things Johnny. :wink:

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:47 am

You can also find a knowledgeable tire place that has an old machine that actually spins the tire and wheel, on the car...that way, your drum or rotor, and I suppose even your wheel bearings, are part of the balancing equation. I had a heck of a time getting the original Raders balanced on the front of my car, until we did that. Now, it's smooth as can be, all the way up to over 100 MPH.
And Glenn is right on the money-Dave Deal made the wheel initially, submitted it as a design for a new Rader wheel, it was rejected, so into Dave's basement it went, until I uncovered it back in either 2000 or 2001, while picking up up some Deal artwork for the VW Trends Meyers Manx giveaway buggy.

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:01 am

[quote="53 0val"

I know this girl that could even teach you a few things Johnny. :wink:[/quote]

:lol: :lol: ya kill'in me Bob :D

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:59 am

53 0val wrote: restojohnny wrote: With the bubble machines, why can't you use the modern sticky weights and stick them on the inside of the rim?

It's an old way of doing it and alot of people nowaday's don't know how to use the bubble machine let alone remembering it or even heard of it before. Most of the guy's that do know how to use it are old timer's and are used to putting it on the outside of the rim and not the backside because back in the day that's how they were trained to use the bubble machine. In other word's " YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS" :lol: :lol:[/quote]

I know this girl that could even teach you a few things Johnny. :wink:[/quote]i know that girl is she the one who could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch???? :oops:

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:05 am

al9 wrote: I'm sure Dave Deal was a nice guy

Dave Deal IS a nice guy. he is still alive and Randee got his permission to do the RDW. Dave Cormack is also a good guy.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:39 am

bill may wrote: al9 wrote: I'm sure Dave Deal was a nice guy . Dave Cormack is also a good guy.
Jeez, if I have turned into a "Nice Guy" I guess it's time to try and change my image, lol
Seriously, I like the DSR wheels, and I don't have a problem with them, per se.
What I have a problem with, as I have said all along, is that somebody took Dave Deal's design, and without permission, copied it, manufactured it, and are now selling it, and making a profit on each set of wheels sold, I assume, all without asking fior permission to use the design, from the person that is obviously, the original designer.
And yes, I do feel somewhat responsilble, as I am the one that, through a fortunate sequence of events, uncovered the wheel in Dave Deal's basement, and got the photos of it, and published them.
I simply don't like to see my friends get ripped off, that's all. If any of you can't understand that, (it's called friendship, people) then I doubt I ever want to make your acquaintance.
I don't have a problem with people buying the DSR wheels either, restojohnny, as I said previously. But I personally, would not ever buy a set for the reasons outlined above. Even if Randee's were the biggest P.O.S. on the planet (and they are NOT) if I was in the market, I would purchase them over the DSR's, simply because of, again, the reasons outlined above.

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:19 pm

Dave wrote: bill may wrote: al9 wrote: I'm sure Dave Deal was a nice guy . Dave Cormack is also a good guy.
Jeez, if I have turned into a "Nice Guy" I guess it's time to try and change my image, lol
Seriously, I like the DSR wheels, and I don't have a problem with them, per se.
What I have a problem with, as I have said all along, is that somebody took Dave Deal's design, and with permission, copied it, manufactured it, and are now selling it, and making a profit on each set of wheels sold, I assume, all without asking fior permission to use the design, from the person that is obviously, the original designer.
And yes, I do feel somewhat responsilble, as I am the one that, through a fortunate sequence of events, uncovered the wheel in Dave Deal's basement, and got the photos of it, and published them.
I simply don't like to see my friends get ripped off, that's all. If any of you can't understand that, (it's called friendship, people) then I doubt I ever want to make your acquaintance.
I don't have a problem with people buying the DSR wheels either, restojohnny, as I said previously. But I personally, would not ever buy a set for the reasons outlined above. Even if Randee's were the biggest P.O.S. on the planet (and they are NOT) if I was in the market, I would purchase them over the DSR's, simply because of, again, the reasons outlined above.
I think you meant WITHOUT permission there, Mr. Niceguy !

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:39 pm

Richard Roth wrote: I think you meant WITHOUT permission there, Mr. Niceguy !

Yeah, good catch, Richard, I fixed it....
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