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Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:04 pm

panscraper_deluxe wrote: My car is definitely more gray then Blue......at least WAY more grey than some of those above.

These pictures are pretty accurate as far as cameras go...

still looks killer though, what kind of interior do you have? any pics?

cv

Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:45 pm

IT IS HARD TO GET THE OG LOOKING COLOR HERE IS A PICK OF MY 1954
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Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:50 pm

Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:54 pm

RAIR AIR IS RIGHT HERE IS ONE MORE PIC SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS LIKE 2 VWS

Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:43 am

djnacho wrote: RAIR AIR IS RIGHT HERE IS ONE MORE PIC SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS LIKE 2 VWS

Yeah some angles yours looks to have an aqua shade to it. Love the banjo wheel, where did you pick that up? I see cip1.com has em.

I have the original color on the back of my glove box door, I went through hours of swatches from 2003 cars all the way to 2009. So far it looks to be the BMW 2009 color of Neptune Blue, pretty damn close. Even went to a BMW dealership in my area and brought the glove box with me. Dealer was wondering what the hell I was doing.

chris

Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:05 am

Thought I would chime in.
I had my 2 stage paint mixed using L-227 Glasurit, taken directly from the Glasurit formula and I have to say, its not a match to my original.
I compared it to the back side of my 1956 glove box door as a color reference, which seemed to be very good original condition paint. The problem is that my newly mixed Glasurit paint is several shades darker and bluer than the original paint behind the glove box door.
I've gone round and round on what to do. My painter tells me that the OG paint behind the door may have shifted over the past 50 years. I can honestly say that the exterior color on all the other parts is tremendously off, do to oxidation and UV exposure, but the inside of the glove box door seems to be in really good shape. Also keeping in mind that I don't believe clearcoat was used back in the day and that also may have caused the original color to shift.
Needless to say, I prefer the original color on the glove box door over the already mixed Glasurit, but the 2 gallons have been paid for and I can't afford to re-purchase two more gallons- this paint is really expensive.
My advise from my painter is just to go with the Glasurit I had mixed as it's pretty hard to debate that Glasurit would have the wrong color formula in their archives after all these years of production.

Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:25 am

markulves wrote: Thought I would chime in.
I had my 2 stage paint mixed using L-227 Glasurit, taken directly from the Glasurit formula and I have to say, its not a match to my original.
I compared it to the back side of my 1956 glove box door as a color reference, which seemed to be very good original condition paint. The problem is that my newly mixed Glasurit paint is several shades darker and bluer than the original paint behind the glove box door.
I've gone round and round on what to do. My painter tells me that the OG paint behind the door may have shifted over the past 50 years. I can honestly say that the exterior color on all the other parts is tremendously off, do to oxidation and UV exposure, but the inside of the glove box door seems to be in really good shape. Also keeping in mind that I don't believe clearcoat was used back in the day and that also may have caused the original color to shift.
Needless to say, I prefer the original color on the glove box door over the already mixed Glasurit, but the 2 gallons have been paid for and I can't afford to re-purchase two more gallons- this paint is really expensive.
My advise from my painter is just to go with the Glasurit I had mixed as it's pretty hard to debate that Glasurit would have the wrong color formula in their archives after all these years of production.

Yeah good point! That is how i tried to reference my stratos silver, behind the glove box door. Mine was perfect shape. And to be sure, I had another stratos silver bug in my shop and compared both doors, they were identical, so definitely no sun exposure or fading.

And as far as mixing, your argument is what I was afraid of. How ever the mixing is done, it just might not be right. This is why I just picked a color real close to stratos from a car today and used that. It is safer to go with something like that (in my opinion) god forbid you need to reshoot a fender or hood, all my painter has to do is call up the code and it is identical. No remixing.

I actually talk about it in a video I have here

Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:19 pm

Dayum............I wish my oval was og.that color! I have to go with what came with my car that boring prarier beigh..good old pratical color :cry:

Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:30 pm

cvallone wrote: markulves wrote: Thought I would chime in.
I had my 2 stage paint mixed using L-227 Glasurit, taken directly from the Glasurit formula and I have to say, its not a match to my original.
I compared it to the back side of my 1956 glove box door as a color reference, which seemed to be very good original condition paint. The problem is that my newly mixed Glasurit paint is several shades darker and bluer than the original paint behind the glove box door.
I've gone round and round on what to do. My painter tells me that the OG paint behind the door may have shifted over the past 50 years. I can honestly say that the exterior color on all the other parts is tremendously off, do to oxidation and UV exposure, but the inside of the glove box door seems to be in really good shape. Also keeping in mind that I don't believe clearcoat was used back in the day and that also may have caused the original color to shift.
Needless to say, I prefer the original color on the glove box door over the already mixed Glasurit, but the 2 gallons have been paid for and I can't afford to re-purchase two more gallons- this paint is really expensive.
My advise from my painter is just to go with the Glasurit I had mixed as it's pretty hard to debate that Glasurit would have the wrong color formula in their archives after all these years of production.

Yeah good point! That is how i tried to reference my stratos silver, behind the glove box door. Mine was perfect shape. And to be sure, I had another stratos silver bug in my shop and compared both doors, they were identical, so definitely no sun exposure or fading.

And as far as mixing, your argument is what I was afraid of. How ever the mixing is done, it just might not be right. This is why I just picked a color real close to stratos from a car today and used that. It is safer to go with something like that (in my opinion) god forbid you need to reshoot a fender or hood, all my painter has to do is call up the code and it is identical. No remixing.

I actually talk about it in a video I have here

Thanks for the youtube link and well worth watching.
Unfortunately for me, I'm stuck with this color now. The restoration shop who I entrusted to restore my car, didn't even have enough sense to take the glovebox door off the car and at least check it against the paint they had mixed. Had they done so, they would have had a perfect sample to match from and we'd all be happy now.

Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:04 pm

On every restoration we do when the owner wishes to keep the original colour we always keep some of the original colour for reference - as mentioned the glovebox inside is one of the best as its not exposed to UV. It has to be an area where you are confident it has not had UV exposure or been resprayed, doors under the trim panel are another good area. If you do not have this then you just have to take what comes and it is a lucky dip.

The next step is to have a sample sprayed out and cured from the mix you have had made. You cannot just tell from the tin even a dabbed sample is not ok. This is then compared to the original. If its wrong then the paint goes back to the supplier to be adjusted until its a match and the customer verifies they are happy with the match. Sometimes this takes several attempts.

So if you have a colour that does not match a good original take it back - if the guy mixing comes up with a line that they cant do it then take the paint away and find somebody that can do an eye match- probably a good idea not to use that painter if its a paint shop - what happens if they make a mistake and need to mix more - multi coloured car coming up.

Just cause the paint supplier mixed it from their code does not mean its right. You are relying on all of those tinters being exactly the same as they were years ago, on the guy mixing having always stirred that tinter for the required time - every time he used it, on the guy mixing not having a hangover and properly watching the scales for his method of mixing or on his equipment not being calibrated.

In addition the resins have changed over the years and obviously two pack is completely different.

So far as getting colors off paint suppliers database be warned. Glasurit has always been quite reliable but some databases are just that a record of what their users have mixed in order to eyematch a particular car and then entered the brew into the system - so for the same colour they may have mutiple variations, some could be eyematches to faded out resprays. Possibly only good as a starting point.

Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:35 am

Very informative thread. Nice open dialogue on this rather cryptic topic.

Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:42 pm

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Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:13 pm

I posted earlier on this thread.
I'm in the process of painting my 1956 in Strato Silver (L227). I made the decision to use Glasurit paint, assuming that Glasurit probably had their paint color formula dialed in. My paint shop handled the ordering and supervision of the color match. Later, after I removed the original paint glove box door from the car and compared the back side of the door, which was still in very good original Strato Silver condition, to a part that we painted using the newly mixed L227 from Glasurit. (Bare in mind that I took this picture at high noon, when the sun was at its brightest, and the reflected light coming off the painted pieces is overexposed- they are not as faded as they appear in this photo) You can easily see the difference between the two painted parts, photographed under the exact lighting conditions. The Glasurit color formula is way too blue. I have to believe that the painted surface on the back side of the glove box door is more accurate to the original color because that side of the door was seldom exposed to UV light, and because the car is an original California car and the mild climate played a lessor part in possibly altering the original color. So my conclusion is that either the Glasurit color formula is off, the color mixer at the paint shop was having a bad day or the L227 on the back of my glove box is somehow faded to a more silvery blue. Explain this.
I'll post more photos of the back side of the glove box door under different lighting conditions.

Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:47 pm

I took these photos of the back side of my glove box door just to show how different the same Strato Silver painted part can look in different angles of light. All these photos were taken outside and within a 10 minute span of time.
My car is an early 1956 and the paint is original and still in good condition

Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:20 pm

markulves wrote: I took these photos of the back side of my glove box door just to show how different the same Strato Silver painted part can look in different angles of light. All these photos were taken outside and within a 10 minute span of time.
My car is an early 1956 and the paint is original and still in good condition

you are right, stratos has many shades in different light and angles. I did the same thing, took the glove box door off and put it up to swatches from today. The color I picked is not 100% to stratos, maybe 90% there. Again at different angles it looks damn close. I will be getting my 55 back from paint later this week, I will post pics of the car when it returns, and we can make the call there if my neptune blue BMW choice is close to stratos.

Chris

Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:30 pm

can't speak for the others, but I'm anxious to see :)
Mark

Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:36 pm

markulves wrote: can't speak for the others, but I'm anxious to see :)
Mark

Ha I hope it is close since it was the original color to the car. if it is not, my bad totally, but it will still look great on the car.

cv

Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:28 am

cvallone wrote: markulves wrote: can't speak for the others, but I'm anxious to see :)
Mark

Ha I hope it is close since it was the original color to the car. if it is not, my bad totally, but it will still look great on the car.

cv

Good luck Chris, I'm sure it will be stunning. I'll post pix of mine too

Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:23 am

markulves wrote: cvallone wrote: markulves wrote: can't speak for the others, but I'm anxious to see :)
Mark

Ha I hope it is close since it was the original color to the car. if it is not, my bad totally, but it will still look great on the car.

cv

Good luck Chris, I'm sure it will be stunning. I'll post pix of mine too

Yeah please I would love to see it. Too bad we couldn't meet up with the final products somewhere and compare, hahha. You near the NY area?

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:52 am

nice to here you found a color that YOU LIKE it very hard to find one and i dont no if you get lots of pep saying do this & dont do this i did and at the end i did it my way good luck with it and im in the la area if you need to get a part or 2 just let me no i will help you out ...this is the last pic i took
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