TheSamba.com :: View topic - Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy*

Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:41 pm

Yeah, I've held onto a couple of "empty bodies" as well.

Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:31 pm

I've been using one half a a split pin as a retainer. It's only a bit wider than a piece of wire but holds up well and requires only the tiniest of holes in the clip boss for those times when the boss is badly eroded. I'm able to rehabilitate most of these distributors this way but there are still some that are just too far gone.

I have found that the type III distributors of this era to be particularly prone to loose or missing cap clips.

Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:13 pm

I thought I'd add this video to this thread of a German Bosch 113905205T distributor mounted on my Sun distributor machine showing the famous 3* retard for cylinder #3. I just restored this 205T this morning.

What the video is showing is the flashing arrows when each lobe is firing as the points open on that lobe. The top right arrow is showing the 3* retard on that cylinder number 3 lobe. All the other lobes are at opening the points at basically 90* from each other which is what they should be doing.

VW knew it had an issue with cylinder #3 running hotter due to the oil cooler being in the way of the cooling air flow to that cylinder inside the fan shroud. They retarded the timing 3* on cylinder number three in an effort to help it run cooler. VW finally corrected this when they went to the dog house fan shroud in 1971 which got the oil cooler out of the cooling air path. They did this by offsetting the cooler to the front of the engine.

Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:28 pm

That's really cool. Thanks for sharing. Did I just make a pun :-k

Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:37 pm

What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm?

Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:57 pm

kawfee wrote: What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm?

WAAAAAYYYYYYY smaller than that. Not detectable by eye, certainly. I'm going to finish my scotch and mic one out right now and get back to you……

Robbie

Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:10 am

kawfee wrote: What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm?
Since the distributor rotates at 1/2 engine speed, 3* (engine) is 1.5* (distributor), that's 1/240 if the circumference.

I hope you have better than 20/20 vision.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:33 am

I know this thread deals with OEM distributors, but has anyone here disassembled, cleaned, lubed and reassembled (fixed) a German 009 distributor? I bought a decent looking one from eBay and want to service it for a spare.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:31 am

I've done a few 009s.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:57 am

Glenn wrote: I've done a few 009s.

Hi Glenn,

Am I missing a spring or is there only supposed to be one depending on model? Can I just wing it and get any spring the seems/fits the same?

Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:38 am

Only 1 spring.

You can't use just any spring and expect the same curve.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:20 am

Glenn wrote: Only 1 spring.

You can't use just any spring and expect the same curve.

Cool.

I figured that, just wanted to put one on if it was supposed to.
Better than nothing.
Glad it don't need it.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:28 pm

Yikes! :shock: That distributor was clearly stored/left in the weather. Lots of rust and corrosion in that one. A great reason why I won't buy any used distributors from the rust/salt belt.

Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:34 pm

Other than some pitting on the breaker plate, it cleaned up fine and works like new.

Some can't be saved.

383 from a 49 Split Beetle.

Internals from a VJ4BR8

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:53 am

Bucket of vinegar for a few days will eat the rust away. Like wcfvw69 says I pass on the rustosis items here in the west. Now oil covered that is a different story on the should I purchase or not.

Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:03 am

Greasy and dirty is better than rusty.

Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:59 pm

gt1953 wrote: Bucket of vinegar for a few days will eat the rust away. Like wcfvw69 says I pass on the rustosis items here in the west. Now oil covered that is a different story on the should I purchase or not.

I don't mind the dirty/greasy. As Glenn stated, it protects the metal from corrosion. When I'm buying core distributors, a quick glance inside tells me to put it down or purchase.

I had a customer send me a rarer distributor to restore. After unboxing it and looking it over, It was put right back in the box. It was dumpster bait due to the heavy corrosion. Yes, you can wire wheel the rust off or put the parts in mild acid. However, that won't cure the heavy pitting nor prevent it from rusting again unless those parts are painted or replated. A coat of oil on them only lasts so long.

That customer must of really loved that badly rusted 009 to have Glenn restore it. I see buckets of German 009's for dirt cheap prices at the local swaps here that look new when I look down inside them with no rust at all.

Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:01 pm

wcfvw69 wrote: That customer must of really loved that badly rusted 009 to have Glenn restore it. I see buckets of German 009's for dirt cheap prices at the local swaps here that look new when I look down inside them with no rust at all.
It was a good friend's and he wanted a Bosch German 009.

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Are there bearings or bushings inside the distributor body?

Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:28 pm

Dwayne1m wrote: Are there bearings or bushings inside the distributor body?
Bushings. I've always seen two with one on top and one on the bottom. Sometimes folks replace them with 1 long one. I prefer to keep the set of two with the felt in between for lubrication.