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Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:39 am

Kurt - Incredible project, thanks for the build threads, "funky truck' and now Wrecks!
See it through to inspire the rest of us!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:22 am

glideking wrote: sgellis wrote: This stuff is way to much work if you don't love it.

We are truly sick!
Kurt

Is it a sickness...or is it an addiction? An addiction to German flavored rust!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:57 am

This really needs to be a t-shirt:

Cost is irrelevant.
Time is irrelevant.
Will it ever be finished?
Irrelevent!

Looking forward to more!

Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:03 pm

It would be nice if you document, like really well, the planning and actual work that goes into the swapping of the ebrake and shifter part that fell off.

Just planting a seed...

The same shifter rail situation is happening here. When thinking about it I want to sell. It would be nice to be inspired to hang on to it.

I can see how the ebrake can work if it is off but the shifting seems like it would have to be aligned and have the correct spacing.

Thank you for keeping us up to date. That is a job in itself.

Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:49 pm

Ran When Parked wrote: It would be nice if you document, like really well, the planning and actual work that goes into the swapping of the ebrake and shifter part that fell off.

Just planting a seed...

The same shifter rail situation is happening here. When thinking about it I want to sell. It would be nice to be inspired to hang on to it.

I can see how the ebrake can work if it is off but the shifting seems like it would have to be aligned and have the correct spacing.

Thank you for keeping us up to date. That is a job in itself.
Would we really expect anything less?
I'd be bold enough to say if this fellow was in the design department for VW through the years, domestic production of aircooled goodies would've potentially lasted a few more decades. Kurt is a guru of creativity. Well at least on dubs. I don't know if his wife would give him credit of such on other things :lol:

Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:52 pm

The rust on this one is substantial, as Kurt has seen. Probably every seamed panel will need replaced, after he gets the frame stuff going. It can all be fixed, just a matter of time and materials

Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:05 pm

chrisflstf wrote: The rust on this one is substantial

a bit of an oxymoron, but funny, nonetheless

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:18 pm

Ran When Parked wrote: swapping of the ebrake and shifter part that fell off. I can see how the ebrake can work if it is off but the shifting seems like it would have to be aligned and have the correct spacing.

The days of installing a factory part and having it work perfectly every time are long gone. All of our old buses can use some shifter alignment. Having the shifter support plate located accurately under the floor is no guarantee of good shifting. Understanding how all aging shift linkage components should work together and figuring out for yourself what needs adjusting is the only way to have a good shift. I am replacing the entire front frame section as a unit including the shifter mount. I am depending on my alignment of the frame to locate the shifter mount. I am confident that I will need to modify some shift linkage part somewhere down the line to get everything working properly anyway. Even internal engine parts are not interchangeable without modification. Keep your bus. If you want it done right you will have to do it yourself.

Looking at thin air is better than looking at rust.

I just don't know when to quit.

This piece of junk is going to be welded to that piece of junk.

The single cab parts will need to be cut to fit the panelvan.

Those middle seat people and their need for a toe space! Why does a panelvan need toespace for middle seat people anyway?

It will take hours to get these two pieces of junk to fit together. At least they are of the same year bus.

I will work on fitting the front frame for a while.
Kurt

Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:57 am

glideking wrote: From this point forward is too far gone.

This area for the beam bolts seems common for rust.

My 59 kombi

Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:57 am

glideking wrote:
This piece of junk is going to be welded to that piece of junk.

That's exactly how my wife would summarize this whole VW hobby thing. :lol:

Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:53 am

glideking wrote: Those middle seat people and their need for a toe space! Why does a panelvan need toespace for middle seat people anyway?
Leave it to you to discover that anomaly in situ. Will you remove the toe space or trim Single Cab metal?

Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:29 am

crewcabs do have this as well if i remember correctly. And no middle seat there ;)

Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:36 am

Crewcabs have a front seat as a middle seat but no back seat!
Kurt

Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:19 pm

I have been procrastinating. I needed to remove the door hinge screws so I can determine the condition of my A pillars.

What do you think my odds are that these screws will come out without damage?

I ran out of correct size nuts to weld on the heads. This bus had 32 rusted hinge screws! Not wanting to stop to go to the store I used a piece of rebar instead.

I wire brushed the heads clean and fill all four screw heads with a blob of weld before welding on the chunk of rebar. I used a wet towel to quench each weld to help shock the threads loose. Being lazy I did not bother cutting off the extracted screws so I just kept welding them on to make this string of screws. This method was 100% effective. All 16 front door hinge plate threads are saved. Next I will cut the screws free and restore the threads...

...not. As for the condition of the A pillars they are in need of some more steel.
Kurt

Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:48 pm

you are a funny man, and i don't just mean funny looking ;)

how are your drawing skills? i would love to see some designs for the new shop class bus

Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:07 pm

glideking wrote: I have been procrastinating. I needed to remove the door hinge screws so I can determine the condition of my A pillars.

What do you think my odds are that these screws will come out without damage?

I ran out of correct size nuts to weld on the heads. This bus had 32 rusted hinge screws! Not wanting to stop to go to the store I used a piece of rebar instead.

I wire brushed the heads clean and fill all four screw heads with a blob of weld before welding on the chunk of rebar. I used a wet towel to quench each weld to help shock the threads loose. Being lazy I did not bother cutting off the extracted screws so I just kept welding them on to make this string of screws. This method was 100% effective. All 16 front door hinge plate threads are saved. Next I will cut the screws free and restore the threads...

...not. As for the condition of the A pillars they are in need of some more steel.
Kurt
I'm such a noob, this is exactly what I need to do with my door hinge screws, I can't get them out at all. Needing to adjust door hinges for proper clearance before I begin dogleg work.

Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:24 pm

glideking wrote:
Being lazy I did not bother cutting off the extracted screws so I just kept welding them on to make this string of screws.

Before I read your text, I looked at the photos and wondered what the heck that line of globs and thread was. Now I know. :lol:

I have had great luck with the weld-a-nut-to-the-broken-bolt process. Never thought about making it into a daisy chain.

Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:46 pm

glideking wrote: I have been procrastinating. I needed to remove the door hinge screws so I can determine the condition of my A pillars.

Kurt

Well, going by this picture, it appears Gerson (or a VW salvage yard) will be getting an order for A pillars soon. :lol:

Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:06 pm

Pealed back the nose skin and drilled out the spot welds as if I were going to put that nose back on later. This nose has never been hit. Too bad the top and bottom have returned to the Earth. Headlight support panel is in great shape except for the fact that the bottom half is outside in the driveway.

Both A pillars are straight and in good shape on this side. Now with good hinge plate threads I guess I will have to keep them.
Kurt

Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:55 am

Just keep that nose for wall art in your garage. It has some pretty neat art work on it, and can be linked to the history of the panel when you and your buddies are all sitting around tipping a few. :)