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Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:27 am

Before WW2 the first commercially made surfboards were made by Pacific Systems Homes. The name of the board was Swastika Surfboards. see below;

http://www.proswastika.org/e107_images/newspost_images/america_usa_san_clemente_surfboard_5.jpg

http://www.proswastika.org/e107_images/newspost_images/america_usa_san_clemente_surfboard_2.jpg

http://www.proswastika.org/e107_images/newspost_images/america_usa_san_clemente_surfboard_3.jpg

Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:22 am

There's a town in Ontario Canada named,
you guessed it...... Swastika.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika,_Ontario

Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:23 am

hitest wrote: Just talking about it means someone, somewhere at a Whole Foods with a Forester and a stack of New Age CDs is going to be offended on behalf of a family member they never knew from 3 generations ago. This hell-bent person will sip their chamomile tomorrow and with Crocks crossed in the hemp hammock rattle off a 3 page diatribe to TheView's Facebook page- #graveinjustice!!!

Beautiful. A way with words, you have.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:46 pm

[quote="raygreenwood"] Dan Hiebert wrote:

I could take a VW Beetle and strip it down far enough to say "It's a Porsche", doesn't make it a Porsche. You see what you want to see. I don't see it.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:05 pm

But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:16 pm

KTPhil wrote: But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:18 pm

KTPhil wrote: But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

Correct!, just to prove it ask someone in the German government if you could produce it for a run of T shirts over there.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:45 pm

jwp67 wrote: KTPhil wrote: But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree.

By your logic, you can't trust anything you can't directly observe in the here and now. No books, films, recordings, or word-of-mouth from eyewitnesses will mean anything to you.

So no Holocaust, no Jesus, no bombing of Pearl Harbor, no nothing!

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:09 pm

i see one in this logo......

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:22 pm

Strange how it’s there and it isn’t. Same with the OP....
When I was a teen, the house we lived in had a swastika bricked into the fire place mantle.... never noticed it until one of my friends pointed it out.
A few years back I was in my old town and drove past my old house just to look, I then noticed that a house down the street had one bricked into the chimney on the front facing the street... never noticed it when I grew up there.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pm

jwp67 wrote: KTPhil wrote: But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree.

Disagree or not, KTPhil is right. It was desiged to resemble a spinning swastika or the "Sonnenrad" which was also the symbol for the SS-Division Wiking

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm

If the logo did not bring up unpleasant associations then I think VW would have kept it. Fact is they chose to replace it.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:31 pm

KTPhil wrote: jwp67 wrote: KTPhil wrote: But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent.

You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree.

By your logic, you can't trust anything you can't directly observe in the here and now. No books, films, recordings, or word-of-mouth from eyewitnesses will mean anything to you.

So no Holocaust, no Jesus, no bombing of Pearl Harbor, no nothing!

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Never said I could never trust all I don't directly observe, just that you can't truly know their intention on the creation of that symbol.

"Those that know history are doomed to repeat it"

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:32 pm

hazetguy wrote: i see one in this logo......

That was their intention. :lol:

Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:00 pm

And, well, ahem...

Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:04 pm

ANd let's not let AT&T off the hook for evil symbolism:

Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:42 pm

US Navy building

Forest

Manson

Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm

No kiddin' there a lot of swastika's out there. From ancient Egypt, right up to the Lafayette Escadrille (in the original indian bonnet). Hitler didn't invent the symbol, he stole it. Like he stole a lot of other things. Including the lives of millions and millions of people.
If he'd have died in 1938 it would be a really endearing symbol of what was viewed AT THE TIME as a great movement. After all he was Time magazines Man of the Year!! As it is, it represents a really screwed up government and just about total evil. The Nazi swastika has no place on ANYTHING other than a historical vehicle if in fact it was a part of that vehicle (WW2 ME-109 tail for example). Other uses of the swastika as a good luck symbol, such as used by the Boy Scouts about 100 years ago have to suffer because it will always be tainted by the Nazi use.
As to the original question, I wonder if that symbol, the spinning fan part was ever actually used by Volkswagen in production. I know the cog wheel part was (KDF) but wonder about the other part. Don't really know.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:45 am

My opinion is:
Any symbol, from Germany during 1933-1945 that looks like a Swastika... is a Swastika.

Nazi Germany knew the power of symbols and exploited their power.

We all know the early history of the VW, so let's not play games and deny its early history as a scam.

Any questions?

Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:11 am

Joe 20 wrote: No kiddin' there a lot of swastika's out there. From ancient Egypt, right up to the Lafayette Escadrille (in the original indian bonnet). Hitler didn't invent the symbol, he stole it. Like he stole a lot of other things. Including the lives of millions and millions of people.
If he'd have died in 1938 it would be a really endearing symbol of what was viewed AT THE TIME as a great movement. After all he was Time magazines Man of the Year!! As it is, it represents a really screwed up government and just about total evil. The Nazi swastika has no place on ANYTHING other than a historical vehicle if in fact it was a part of that vehicle (WW2 ME-109 tail for example). Other uses of the swastika as a good luck symbol, such as used by the Boy Scouts about 100 years ago have to suffer because it will always be tainted by the Nazi use.
As to the original question, I wonder if that symbol, the spinning fan part was ever actually used by Volkswagen in production. I know the cog wheel part was (KDF) but wonder about the other part. Don't really know.

The spinning swastika logo is on numerous early parts which are plentiful in early Kübelwagens. If fact most 1940-41 parts and some later have that logo. But the logo was still used up to about March/April 1952 on the Split Beetle door handles made by Huf, the manufacturer. They simply used the KdF-Wagen door handle molds since the logo does not show and is on the back side of the handle. See https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2074655

Many other parts had the VW cog symbol for a long time after the war, Kronprinz stamped all wheels with the cog logo until 1950. Many times the logos were deleted only after the molds or stamps were renewed. On early post war Beetles nearly all parts have the cog logo, some spinning swatikas. They were not too picky about the logos if they did not show.