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Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:08 am

I bought the bushing for a 1970 Bay window Bus. As mentioned above, the part doesn't fit and is a complete waste of money. Compare it to the cheap ones currently on the market and you will see how much smaller the part is. I reached out about a refund and have yet to hear anything.

Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:05 pm

I was refunded my money. I think some modification may be needed to the shift rod to accept the bushing. I may attempt this at a later date but I have already boogered mine trying to get it on and off.

Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:01 pm

Kwoggy wrote: I was refunded my money. I think some modification may be needed to the shift rod to accept the bushing. I may attempt this at a later date but I have already boogered mine trying to get it on and off.

You’re lucky, all i got was “we’ll look into it” and when I approached the subject of a refund i was ghosted 😐

Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:48 pm

Blows my mind how people refuse to accept real fact Delrin is crap. It was a big deal in the early 2000's in the medical device field it failed!! But it re-surfaced as a new age material for automotive... We had thousands of lawsuits using DuPont materials because of (shedding). It wears out quicker then a tinder girlfriend.

Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:29 am

DesertSasquatchXploration wrote: Blows my mind how people refuse to accept real fact Delrin is crap. It was a big deal in the early 2000's in the medical device field it failed!! But it re-surfaced as a new age material for automotive... We had thousands of lawsuits using DuPont materials because of (shedding). It wears out quicker then a tinder girlfriend.

Yeah I have not seen anything super exemplary out of it performance-wise for abrasion, but I will say that I made a batch of 1.5" roll cage wire clips out of it and a few other non-exotic plastics to try, and I've yet to find anything as cheap as Delrin with that good of creep resistance. The glass fiber stuff is even better but it kills endmills if you're making a bunch of a thing, like roll cage wire clips.

Somebody just needs to get the attention of IGUS or something to make the end-all be-all of shift rod bushings. They make a lot of things that are awfully close to the shape of a shift rod bushing.... :D

Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:16 am

Igus sells bar stock of many of their engineered plastics. Igus Iglide T500 is a bit on the pricy side, but excellent for sliding/pivoting, and is REALLY tough stuff. There are less expensive options as well that will last a long time in that application. I just happen to have the most experience with T500.

Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:37 pm

Has anyone used these Delron bushings in a Type 3? I thought I would give it a shot, however it doesn't fit. The Type 3 bracket has a radiused edge on it (front) which interferes with the bushing sitting flush and preventing it from locking in. Also makes it sit crooked. Are there any issues with mounting it in reverse, from the backside of the bracket (which puts the thick part of bushing on the backside)? Wasn't sure how much vertical force was put on this bushing since it would be going to the thin side. There is also the option of sanding down the thick part of the bushing to fit as well. For being advertised to fit a Type 3, kind of annoying that I have to do this.

Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:42 pm

I have not seen any issues with Delrin on parts like this.....as long as the lateral force is not heavy....and....if you are using the correct Delrin for the application. Delrin is not just delrin.

Also, bear in mind, Delrin is a brand name. There are numerous manufacturers of acetal plastics in a wider range and in some cases better quality than DuPont product.

While it's not the PERFECT plastic for this application, if it's the right version/formulation it should have no problems.
A decent nylon would be ideal.

And of course.....speaking of Igus which is a bearing manufacturer....you could just as easily pick up a rod of Torlon 4301 and have a bushing machined that would probably last forever. Torlon 4301 is one of the main plastics that Igus uses. Graphite filled Torlon. But it would be $$$.

Ray

Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:37 am

Torlon is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:47 am

Vanapplebomb wrote: Torsion is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep....but where else would you find a "plastic" that is good for a CONSTANT temp of 500* F, is chemically inert to anything we might use in a car. It has flexural modulus that is 2X, compression strength 4X and a coefficient of friction that is about equal to a similar to a PTFE "filled' Delrin.

Hard to beat that set of characteristics.

Although it should be said that the graphite filled Torlon 4301 I am talking about above is actually more than required for this exact application (the shift rod bushing). There is not enough weight and load in the shift rod to require the graphite.

For most things I have used Torlon 4302 (electrical grade). Its moderately harder and slightly slicker. Its a bit cheaper than the 4301 graphite filled.

Also, some of these are extruded and some are injection molded. Different grain and density and it makes a price difference. Ray

Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:05 pm

I just placed a Delrin shift bushing into my 68 beetle and the shift rod won’t fit. I lined up the rod and was able to push it in about an inch or to, but no further? Any ideas as to why or what I can do?

Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:55 pm

Did you fit the bushing to the shift rod with the rod out of the car first, to check it?

Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:01 am

leefriedmann wrote: I just placed a Delrin shift bushing into my 68 beetle and the shift rod won’t fit. I lined up the rod and was able to push it in about an inch or to, but no further? Any ideas as to why or what I can do?

Make sure the rod is going in straight and not hanging on one of the cable runners in the tunnel. You could pop a mounting bracket for the clutch or accelerator cables is you're not careful.

Borrowed from the gallery:

Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:15 pm

It should also be noted that you can also get some of the IGUS materials in 3D printer filament/powder for those that have access to that.

raygreenwood wrote: Vanapplebomb wrote: Torsion is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep....but where else would you find a "plastic" that is good for a CONSTANT temp of 500* F, is chemically inert to anything we might use in a car. It has flexural modulus that is 2X, compression strength 4X and a coefficient of friction that is about equal to a similar to a PTFE "filled' Delrin.

Hard to beat that set of characteristics.

Although it should be said that the graphite filled Torlon 4301 I am talking about above is actually more than required for this exact application (the shift rod bushing). There is not enough weight and load in the shift rod to require the graphite.

For most things I have used Torlon 4302 (electrical grade). Its moderately harder and slightly slicker. Its a bit cheaper than the 4301 graphite filled.

Also, some of these are extruded and some are injection molded. Different grain and density and it makes a price difference. Ray

Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:25 pm

Now that you have pissed all over the Delrin, and it seems like that is the only part available now, what would you use to correct a situation that plagues every VW driver.

Tue Sep 03, 2024 5:30 pm

wheel607 wrote: what would you use to correct a situation that plagues every VW driver.
"plagues every VW driver" ?????

In 52 years with my 1970 VW, and 48 years with my 1971 Super VW, I've replaced the shift bushing in each exactly once each.

I would use regular shift bushing #111701259A https://www.chirco.com/shift-rod-bushing-vw-bug-beetle-1946-1979/

Tue Sep 03, 2024 5:56 pm

Started the VW life 9 years ago first thing I replaced was the bushing with one from the local parts guy used Mobil 1 red synthetic wheel bearing grease 90K later its still perfectly fine. Its a problem that doesn't exist. If your shift rod has burs and damage that will cut and wear the bushing premature that's your issue not the bushing.

Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:07 pm

Bag the delrin, use this one.
https://www2.cip1.com/c24-111-701-259-akit/

Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:31 pm

Cusser wrote: wheel607 wrote: what would you use to correct a situation that plagues every VW driver.
"plagues every VW driver" ?????

In 52 years with my 1970 VW, and 48 years with my 1971 Super VW, I've replaced the shift bushing in each exactly once each.

I would use regular shift bushing #111701259A https://www.chirco.com/shift-rod-bushing-vw-bug-beetle-1946-1979/

I'll light the crew up even more... I ditch the stupid retaining ring that is supposed to go around that that bushing. Why do I want to force the bushing to rotate in the narrow hanger when I move between 1-2 and 3-4?

When replacing the bushing make sure the inside of that hanger hole it fits in is smooth, and lubricate the bracket groove in the bushing. It can rotate there too with the stock design. Make sure the entire shift rod is cleaned up and rust free before shoving it through the bushing so abrasive crap doesn't end up in there.

I prefer the older VW all metal design used on the '59 and '57 I owned, but replacements of that style don't seem to be available. Neither of those ever needed replacing!

Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:14 am

chrisflstf wrote: I wonder if it will slip on a bus shift rod that has the bend in it?

Yes it will...I had to open up the ID a bit with some 800 grit sand paper just to free up the movement a bit but it works great!